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stephen_n

Jesus that’s grim.

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1240414011608444929?s=21

swiwi_

stephen_n wrote: »

5% of those infected become seriously ill, that’s the figure based on global infections so far.

Yes, but if you keep at risk isolated, and let the healthy get herd immunity...it won't be 5 %.

FDA thinks 12 months for a vaccine. It may be shorter. If the "total shutdown" is to work, it's to be hoped the virus just fades away...

[Deleted User]

swiwi_ wrote: »

I get what you're saying molloy. But the waves idea assumes people are not remaining in isolation and sporadically getting infected. It's potentially a runner though, as I doubt (now) 100 % isolation is really possible.

It's a global virus - it will keep doing the rounds until enough people have been vaccinated or become immune having had it. That's the reality, we can clear it but it will come back until it has no one left to carry it.

swiwi_ wrote: »

@venjur - you must have financial means if you survive several months with no income. The Irish state is not going to gund it's population for months on end. There is no state capable of that, maybe the extremely oil rich states, but with flights grounded, oil prices are likely to dip sharply.

I expect that we'll all be on some kind of basic income come May. How long that goes on for who knows. I've taken all the steps I can to limit expenditure to ride this out but that can only go on so long.

Honestly I'm hoping there is a normal to return too - we really don't know what state the world is going to be in by 2021.

errlloyd

Speaking of limiting expenditure etc. I played PUBG with a few of you recently.

Downloaded Warzone there (free, heavily PUBG inspired Battle Royal, has many of the good elements of PUBG and only most of the **** elements of COD)

If anyone wants to discord up in the coming days. My only rule is to limit the Covid talk. I didn't think the anxiety was affecting me, but it is. (why I keep coming here I don't know).

Also, if anyone is keen on simulcasting some matches.

stephen_n

swiwi_ wrote: »

Yes, but if you keep a risk isolated, and let the healthy get herd immunity...it won't be 5 %.

FDA thinks 12 months for a vaccine. It may be shorter. If the "total shutdown" is to work, it's to be hoped the virus just fades away...

The highest rates of infection in Ireland are amongst 25-40 year olds next highest are 40-55. If those figures are the same around the world then it’s unlikely that all the 5% are coming from older people.

Squidgy Black

swiwi_ wrote: »

I get what you're saying molloy. But the waves idea assumes people are not remaining in isolation and sporadically getting infected. It's potentially a runner though, as I doubt (now) 100 % isolation is really possible.

@venjur - you must have financial means if you survive several months with no income. The Irish state is not going to gund it's population for months on end. There is no state capable of that, maybe the extremely oil rich states, but with flights grounded, oil prices are likely to dip sharply.

100% isolation isn't feasible, but I think the main concern at the moment is stopping the initial rapid spread that was seen in the likes of China and Italy. With the hopes that a majority will recover, which also depends on the likelihood of re-infection and transmission past the recovery period. If you minimise the initial wave of infection, you then make it easier to try and keep the vunerable members of society in isolation and avoid contact with confirmed cases.

I will admit though, we're still very early doors in terms of economic impacts with workplaces that don't have the ability to work from home only closing in the last couple of days. Once the economic impact starts to really kick in with those laid off starting to feel the financial pressure and markets starting to crash then I can see the tactics shift to more of the 'herd immunity' come into effect where sections of the economy/population will have to go back to normal function and just pray and hope that the vunerable are efficiently isolated. It's easy to say now that we should just remain in lockdown for the next few months, especially if you're unaffected financially due to being able to work from home etc, but we're looking at close to half a million people be out of work due to this and businesses closing down permanently due to lack of cash flow etc.

errlloyd

A friend of mine just texted me. He got laid off.

Highly qualified professional had moved jobs in January. He's ****ed.

sydthebeat

stephen_n wrote: »

The highest rates of infection in Ireland are amongst 25-40 year olds next highest are 40-55. If those figures are the same around the world then it’s unlikely that all the 5% are coming from older people.

stephen, your smiley face sig (:D) puts a very weird slant on your recent posts

Squidgy Black

191 cases reported today. That's a monumental jump from the 74 yesterday and 69 the day before.

stephen_n

sydthebeat wrote: »

stephen, your smiley face sig (:D) puts a very weird slant on your recent posts

Yeah not entirely appropriate for the current content

Clegg

Squidgy Black wrote: »

191 cases reported today. That's a monumental jump from the 74 yesterday and 69 the day before.

And one additional death. May she rest in peace.

It is a huge jump, but I think that's down to the increased testing we're doing and the change in criteria. We've opened up Croke Park for drive thru testing and now anyone who presents symptoms can be tested. It's not good, but it was to be expected, I think.

sydthebeat

Squidgy Black wrote: »

191 cases reported today. That's a monumental jump from the 74 yesterday and 69 the day before.

I expect these numbers to continue.

if the expected 30% rise is taking that as the base, we will exceed the 15,000 cases Leo was talking about in 17 days

double that would be 143,000 cases.....

everyone needs to stay the fcuk away from each other and do what they are told

Neil3030

I have to say, if Ireland ramp up to 15,000 tests per day, as Harris mentioned, we would be close to leading the way on this (on a per capita basis), by EU standards, no?

sydthebeat

i fear for how this will hit india.... they are only testing 90 people per day as of yesterday... despite having the capacity to test 8000 per day.

i fear what will come out in the wash after all this, seeing as india is such a densely populated country.

Squidgy Black

sydthebeat wrote: »

i fear for how this will hit india.... they are only testing 90 people per day as of yesterday... despite having the capacity to test 8000 per day.

i fear what will come out in the wash after all this, seeing as india is such a densely populated country.

I work with a fair few lads from India, and the general consensus from them was that it'll absolutely ravage most regions. Partially down to the fact they're so densely populated, but also due to the environment too and hospitals in a lot of regions being fairly run down.

ClanofLams

Inaction in UK with the information they have is absolutely ridiculous. It’s going to get very very bad over there

[Deleted User]

ClanofLams wrote: »

Inaction in UK with the information they have is absolutely ridiculous. It’s going to get very very bad over there

You would wonder what is actually going on? They've acknowledged they got bad advice and were wrong and yet still they drag their heels.

The worst thing is you couldn't trust the Tories at all here, would you be confident saying they are acting purely in the public's best interest? I wouldn't at all. I don't think it's unfair to say that these people would turn a blind eye to a higher number of dead so long as their political and financial goals were achieved.

America now going into lock down, state department closing the borders and now look at this bull****.

Again, like the UK - the worst possible government to have at this extremely serious time.

[Deleted User]

errlloyd wrote: »

Speaking of limiting expenditure etc. I played PUBG with a few of you recently.

Downloaded Warzone there (free, heavily PUBG inspired Battle Royal, has many of the good elements of PUBG and only most of the **** elements of COD)

If anyone wants to discord up in the coming days. My only rule is to limit the Covid talk. I didn't think the anxiety was affecting me, but it is. (why I keep coming here I don't know).

Also, if anyone is keen on simulcasting some matches.

I keep a load of local coop (couch coop) and local multiplayer games in my wishlist and pick them up when they go on sale. I've most of the popular ones now as my kids play them with the neighbours kids. I've discovered recently that I can invite anyone to play and the games stream through steam (remote play).

Plenty of quality games and no one else needs to own them, generally upto 4 player so if you see me online and want a game of something ping me. Also - best if you have a steam or xbox controller...

Bazzo

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Johnson is speaking live now about the crisis over there. He's just waffling compared to Varadkar there the last day.

Every time Johnson opens his mouth it's just waffle, it's his MO.

As to grand plans about the best course of action, I'll just sit back and take the prevailing view of the majority of experts. That said the economic toll is really heartbreaking as well, 100,000+ out of a job in Ireland and I'm seeing quite a bit of it first hand too.

stephen_n

Bazzo wrote: »

Every time Johnson opens his mouth it's just waffle, it's his MO.

As to grand plans about the best course of action, I'll just sit back and take the prevailing view of the majority of experts. That said the economic toll is really heartbreaking as well, 100,000+ out of a job in Ireland and I'm seeing quite a bit of it first hand too.

They said up to 400,000 on the news earlier. Feel really lucky that I’m in a job that allows me to work from home.

[Deleted User]

My gf wants us to pop over to her sister's place tomorrow night to have drinks with her and her boyfriend. Thoughts?

Former Former

Deleted User wrote: »

My gf wants us to pop over to her sister's place tomorrow night to have drinks with her and her boyfriend. Thoughts?

Can you really discipline yourselves to stay 2 metres away all evening? After a few beers?

nc6000

Deleted User wrote: »

My gf wants us to pop over to her sister's place tomorrow night to have drinks with her and her boyfriend. Thoughts?

It's a bad idea, postpone it for a week or two.

[Deleted User]

Former Former wrote: »

Can you really discipline yourselves to stay 2 metres away all evening? After a few beers?

Stheno

stephen_n wrote: »

They said up to 400,000 on the news earlier. Feel really lucky that I’m in a job that allows me to work from home.

Tell her to read/watch this https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597

Sky news got into a hospital in Italy

Its utterly horrific to watch btw I watched it literally in disbelief, the expression numb with horror sprang to mind

thomond2006

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My gf wants us to pop over to her sister's place tomorrow night to have drinks with her and her boyfriend. Thoughts?

No. This is the kind of thing that you should avoid and discourage.

[Deleted User]

Former Former wrote: »

Can you really discipline yourselves to stay 2 metres away all evening? After a few beers?

I'm trying to convince her it's a bad idea. I'm more concerned with being indoors for a few hours with new people even with the social distancing. I'd be up for doing it outdoors in a park of something if we kept our distance. Or is that madness.

[Deleted User]

Stheno wrote: »

Tell her to read/watch this https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597

Sky news got into a hospital in Italy

Its utterly horrific to watch btw I watched it literally in disbelief, the expression numb with horror sprang to mind

Yup, horrific.

This is the video folks, if there is anyone in your immediate circle of friends or family that is dismissing this in any way - this is the video to show them.

Not an easy watch. Wouldn't wish this on anyone.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm trying to convince her it's a bad idea. I'm more concerned with being indoors for long periods of time with new people even with the social distancing.

All our families (wife / mine) are distancing so that if any one of us get infected all the others are still free to step in if a parent becomes unwell or needs assistance. Maybe it's over precautious but it made sense to me.

Former Former

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm trying to convince her it's a bad idea. I'm more concerned with being indoors for a few hours with new people even with the social distancing. I'd be up for doing it outdoors in a park of something if we kept our distance. Or is that madness.

Yeah that should be fine. But a few hours indoors is crazy.

If my 70 year old mother has to stand in the garden and talk to her grandkids through a closed window, your GF can skip drinks with her sister.

Collectively saying "be grand" is literally going to kill hundreds of people.