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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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It seems FG will be very happy to just sit on their hands for 5 years. Would FG voters be happy with this, as it means all those FG votes mean nothing, and do nothing.

Having been in power for 9 years, they did nothing, people have no homes, people still on trollies.

FG may have given some of their rich buddies some tax breaks.

But other than that, they did what FG do best, are their poor hands not numb by now.

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efanton

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I don't think it's dillydallying at this stage. It seems they are both committed to forming a government but they have consciously chosen to leave the FG government in place at least until we get a measure of how bad the crisis is going to get.

Why?

What difference would it make?

In the mean time we have a government that cant push through legislation that might be urgently needed.

James Brown

It seems by the attitude of the FG posse, this crisis will be used to gain ground and private profit by FG exactly like the financial crash and as with the ongoing housing crisis.
Despicable party.

We'll be bailing out businesses of a certain size and all the rest will be called spongers. We certainly are not 'all in this together' with FG calling the shots. The bill of course will be everyone's.

Loafing Oaf

efanton wrote: »

Who exactly is running?

Does it really take 6 weeks for FG or FF to actually commit to forming a government?

SF were straight out of the blocks and would have formed a left of centre government only for Labour to kill that with their statement that they would not consider any involvement in any collision. That might have been disappointing to many, but at least Labour had the gumption to make a decision and stick to it.
FG supporters were so keen for SF to form a government its surprising that FG did not offer some sort of confidence pact in order for a minority coalition to be formed. But its seems FG party headquarters ran away from that option.

Meanwhile we are still waiting for FG and FF to make up their bloody minds.
They could easily have made the commitment weeks ago and then hammered out the details over a few weeks, instead all we have heard is maybe, maybe not.

A straight NO from either FF or FG would be good enough for most people. We could leave the existing government in place until such time as it was safe to run another election.

The only parties that seem to be running or indecisive are FG and FF.

I don't think it's dillydallying at this stage. It seems they are both committed to forming a government but they have consciously chosen to leave the FG government in place at least until we get a measure of how bad the crisis is going to get.

James Brown

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Mary WHO McDonald?

Sinn Fein are utter wasters.

Edgware wrote: »

Ya, he should have finished with a good old " Up the Ra " shout

The bitterness runs deep.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The Sinn Fein voter in you speaks loud and clear.

If ever you want change in this country, the next two years will be the opportunity. The fundamentals of the economy are good, but this crisis gives the reason and opportunity for change in a context where the country will bounce back.

A time for real leaders to take charge, while the cowards run away back to the ditch.

There has been ample opportunity for 'change' had any of the power swap party's ever wanted it.

We will see them pretend to want it, no doubt.

But will we get it? 100 years of the same thing from the same 'leaders' says no.

efanton

blanch152 wrote: »

The Sinn Fein voter in you speaks loud and clear.

If ever you want change in this country, the next two years will be the opportunity. The fundamentals of the economy are good, but this crisis gives the reason and opportunity for change in a context where the country will bounce back.

A time for real leaders to take charge, while the cowards run away back to the ditch.

Who exactly is running?

Does it really take 6 weeks for FG or FF to actually commit to forming a government?

SF were straight out of the blocks and would have formed a left of centre government only for Labour to kill that with their statement that they would not consider any involvement in any collision. That might have been disappointing to many, but at least Labour had the gumption to make a decision and stick to it.
FG supporters were so keen for SF to form a government its surprising that FG did not offer some sort of confidence pact in order for a minority coalition to be formed. But its seems FG party headquarters ran away from that option.

Meanwhile we are still waiting for FG and FF to make up their bloody minds.
They could easily have made the commitment weeks ago and then hammered out the details over a few weeks, instead all we have heard is maybe, maybe not.

A straight NO from either FF or FG would be good enough for most people. We could leave the existing government in place until such time as it was safe to run another election.

The only parties that seem to be running or indecisive are FG and FF.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody wants the 'get back to normality' part of this job.

The Sinn Fein voter in you speaks loud and clear.

If ever you want change in this country, the next two years will be the opportunity. The fundamentals of the economy are good, but this crisis gives the reason and opportunity for change in a context where the country will bounce back.

A time for real leaders to take charge, while the cowards run away back to the ditch.

efanton

landofthetree wrote: »

7 TDs short.

Greens. Nope. They wont go into an austerity government.
SDs and labour wiill also run far away from austerity.

That leaves FF and FG looking for 7 indos just to get over the line. Not a chance they can find them IMO.

Well I find it hard to have any sympathy for either FG or FF. They knew what the story within a day of the elections result being called.

Had either made a pact not to support a no confidence motion SF might have been able to form a minority government.

FF had the option of forming a government with SF, but Michael Martin blew that out of the water immediately with his anti-SF tirades.

FG could have flat out refused to enter any talks whatsoever and would have probably got a small bounce in another election, a wasted opportunity for FG but good for the country that they didnt IMO.

Now both FF and FG have forced themselves needlessly into a corner with no way out. They will either get seven independents to jump on board at very high cost (after all that's the only purpose of an independent running for office), or if that fails then the only option is for a unity government to be formed until the virus crisis is out of the way and a new election to be called.
Both FG and FF are likely to be punished further if that's the case because they needlessly dragged out government formation far too long.

Its unlikely FG will get a significant boost because of their handling of the virus crisis, not because they haven't done a reasonably good job, but because it is now more apparent than ever that our public services are not up to scratch, the under investment in the last 20 years in our health service ad housing is is clear to see, and many people who will be now reliant on some form of social welfare but until recently were working will see how inadequate some of our welfare systems are.

If FF and FG are not able to get their act together and form a government they need to go for the unity government option quick, or get agreement from all parties that the existing government stay in place till this crisis is more or less out of the way and a new general election takes place at that point.

Fann Linn

landofthetree wrote: »

7 TDs short.

Greens. Nope. They wont go into an austerity government.
SDs and labour wiill also run far away from austerity.

That leaves FF and FG looking for 7 indos. Not a chance they can find them IMO.

Lowry, Naughten Grealish.
Leaves a shortfall of 4.

landofthetree

efanton wrote: »

This is exactly what the problem is.

Michael Martin has burned far too many bridges and the only one he has left is FG.

I could easily see the coalition talks between FF and FG taking days or weeks just to sort out whether Martin takes the Taoiseach role for the first two years or does Leo take it.
Neither would want to be the the Taoiseach for the final two years when they will have to face the electorate after yet another failed government.
Martin will want to be Taoiseach now, but FG knowing that FF have burned every bridge or other possible option to form a government will be holding all the cards. It will be yet another FG program for government, with FF taking the credit for building a few extra homes and pumping a few more billion into the health service

Eventually after a week of haggling, Leo will remain as taoiseach for the first two years, and Martin will probably be the last FF taoiseach for a very long time.
Neither party will have a hope of winning the next general election, be that one called now if coalition talks collapse, or in 5 years.
Both parties are destined to lose support and never have the strength to be in government again on their own without coalition partners. It is inevitable that both parties will merge at some point, unless either one of them change their stance with regards to SF.

7 TDs short.

Greens. Nope. They wont go into an austerity government.
SDs and labour wiill also run far away from austerity.

That leaves FF and FG looking for 7 indos just to get over the line. Not a chance they can find them IMO.

landofthetree

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

There won't be another election anytime soon. FF and FG are going to do a deal because it's Martin's last chance at the top job.

Still 7 TDs short.

Good luck get indos to back austerity.

FrancieBrady

efanton wrote: »

This is exactly what the problem is.

Michael Martin has burned far too many bridges and the only one he has left is FG.

I could easily see the coalition talks between FF and FG taking days or weeks just to sort out whether Martin takes the Taoiseach role for the first two years or does Leo take it.
Neither would want to be the the Taoiseach for the final two years when they will have to face the electorate after yet another failed government.
Martin will want to be Taoiseach now, but FG knowing that FF have burned every bridge or other possible option to form a government will be holding all the cards. It will be yet another FG program for government, with FF taking the credit for building a few extra homes and pumping a few more billion into the health service

Eventually after a week of haggling, Leo will remain as taoiseach for the first two years, and Martin will probably be the last FF taoiseach for a very long time.
Neither party will have a hope of winning the next general election, be that one called now if coalition talks collapse, or in 5 years.
Both parties are destined to lose support and never have the strength to be in government again on their own without coalition partners. It is inevitable that both parties will merge at some point, unless either one of them change their stance with regards to SF.

FF will back off actually trying to form a government now, but will prtend to be trying.

Nobody wants the 'get back to normality' part of this job.

That will quickly wipe out any goodwill accrued from managing the crisis. I think there is going to quite a mess to clear up. If they had any sense (and they don't) they'd be flat out trying to get a national government in place right now.

efanton

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

There won't be another election anytime soon. FF and FG are going to do a deal because it's Martin's last chance at the top job.

This is exactly what the problem is.

Michael Martin has burned far too many bridges and the only one he has left is FG.

I could easily see the coalition talks between FF and FG taking days or weeks just to sort out whether Martin takes the Taoiseach role for the first two years or does Leo take it.
Neither would want to be the the Taoiseach for the final two years when they will have to face the electorate after yet another failed government.
Martin will want to be Taoiseach now, but FG knowing that FF have burned every bridge or other possible option to form a government will be holding all the cards. It will be yet another FG program for government, with FF taking the credit for building a few extra homes and pumping a few more billion into the health service

Eventually after a week of haggling, Leo will remain as taoiseach for the first two years, and Martin will probably be the last FF taoiseach for a very long time.
Neither party will have a hope of winning the next general election, be that one called now if coalition talks collapse, or in 5 years.
Both parties are destined to lose support and never have the strength to be in government again on their own without coalition partners. It is inevitable that both parties will merge at some point, unless either one of them change their stance with regards to SF.

Jizique

all about the mane wrote: »

It’s a priority to the anti-FG crowd on here it seems!

It’s not really a priority given the crisis - they really don’t want the flak

Loafing Oaf

landofthetree wrote: »

FG have 35 TDs.

This caretaker administraton can be removed anytime by the other 125TDs.

FG have no choice but to carry out as the others run away from responsibility.

They will be in charge till the crisis us over and we have a new election.

There won't be another election anytime soon. FF and FG are going to do a deal because it's Martin's last chance at the top job.

[Deleted User]

Augeo wrote: »

Landlords will end up paying all of their mortgage.
Are you suggesting a rent pause for 3 months for renters and then the 3 months rent gets spread over the future x months?

Or are you proposing a hand out that doesn't get paid back?

Surely such a thing is cheaper on the state,than mass homelessness at this time?

Pubs and various businesses across the state are closing and still have to pay rates and rent,and most larger businesses are dipping into cash reserves to pay staff at this time,while closed,saving state millions

But private landlords are to get a special deal and not asked to take some of pain to prevent strain on state resources...seems kind of commensense for these extra-ordinary times?

all about the mane

is_that_so wrote: »

Only when a new Taoiseach is elected. They could be there till September as caretakers. New government formation is not exactly a priority at present.

It’s a priority to the anti-FG crowd on here it seems!

is_that_so

landofthetree wrote: »

FG have 35 TDs.

This caretaker administraton can be removed anytime by the other 125TDs.

FG have no choice but to carry out as the others run away from responsibility.

Only when a new Taoiseach is elected. They could be there till September as caretakers. New government formation is not exactly a priority at present.

landofthetree

Runaways wrote: »

Wouldn’t be a SF voter tbh. But correct on them sliding back into government. With absolutely no mandate and using a crisis to do it.

FG have 35 TDs.

This caretaker administraton can be removed anytime by the other 125TDs.

FG have no choice but to carry out as the others run away from responsibility.

They will be in charge till the crisis us over and we have a new election.

No party wants to go in as austerity is coming. They will need a mandate to carry out austerity.

Runaways

all about the mane wrote: »

People were bitching when they said they’d go into opposition. Now you are bitching that they will go back in. Hilarious

It went unnoticed by all here but the spin doctor has been rehired by Leo to handle this crisis.

In doubt?

https://twitter.com/astraea1974/status/1240333355125739522?s=21

all about the mane

Runaways wrote: »

Wouldn’t be a SF voter tbh. But correct on them sliding back into government. With absolutely no mandate and using a crisis to do it.

People were bitching when they said they’d go into opposition. Now you are bitching that they will go back in. Hilarious

Runaways

MadYaker wrote: »

I suspect you’re a Sinn Fein supporter who can see that Leo & FG are getting lots of credit for their handling of this crisis and are likely to slide back into government as a result and that’s annoying you.

Wouldn’t be a SF voter tbh. But correct on them sliding back into government. With absolutely no mandate and using a crisis to do it.

all about the mane

MadYaker wrote: »

I suspect you’re a Sinn Fein supporter who can see that Leo & FG are getting lots of credit for their handling of this crisis and are likely to slide back into government as a result and that’s annoying you.

It is really annoying them as this thread shows. It’s a bit of entertainment I suppose.

FrancieBrady

MadYaker wrote: »

I suspect you’re a Sinn Fein supporter who can see that Leo & FG are getting lots of credit for their handling of this crisis and are likely to slide back into government as a result and that’s annoying you.

'Slither back', might be a better term.

Again, IMO and I think a lot of people's, being fair, anyone would have done the same faced with this.
Take the advice of the experts and act. It isn't rocket science.

FG are doing it well. They are all, like they did in Brexit, keeping the ship afloat.

This phase is NOT about anybody's political position, it is about life and death basically.

How it is managed when we come out of this, is where the 'politics' will re-emerge.
Who will bear the brunt of it and who will recieve fair treatment? Areas where FG failed spectacularly before.

blanch152

Augeo wrote: »

Landlords will end up paying all of their mortgage.
Are you suggesting a rent pause for 3 months for renters and then the 3 months rent gets spread over the future x months?

Or are you proposing a hand out that doesn't get paid back?

Of course that is what he is proposing. The entitlement culture demands no suffering and everything for free.

all about the mane

Augeo wrote: »

Landlords will end up paying all of their mortgage.
Are you suggesting a rent pause for 3 months for renters and then the 3 months rent gets spread over the future x months?

Or are you proposing a hand out that doesn't get paid back?

He’s proposing a handout

blanch152

Suckit wrote: »

So it's not really solving anything..

If you mean that some people won’t get their forever house for free off their landlord, then yes, of course it doesn’t solve anything.

If you are looking for a reasonable proposal for a temporary stop on evictions while there is a crisis, then it is a solution.

[Deleted User]

Runaways wrote: »

If Leo and fianna failure dont step in with a pause and equally for renters now the same way landlords are getting. ..........

Landlords will end up paying all of their mortgage.
Are you suggesting a rent pause for 3 months for renters and then the 3 months rent gets spread over the future x months?

Or are you proposing a hand out that doesn't get paid back?

MadYaker

Runaways wrote: »

Hardly.
I’m just not gormless enough to forget 9 years after a single speech

I suspect you’re a Sinn Fein supporter who can see that Leo & FG are getting lots of credit for their handling of this crisis and are likely to slide back into government as a result and that’s annoying you.

Runaways

MadYaker wrote: »

Did he steal your boyfriend or something? I get the feeling you be bashing him no matter what he did. FYI he’s a qualified doctor so he understands what’s happening better than most.

Hardly.
I’m just not gormless enough to forget 9 years after a single speech