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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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This thread is a continuation of the megathreads for discussing the presidency of Donald Trump and any matters which relate to this.

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Water John

Vaccine is 12/18 months away, I have some hopes for the end of the year, but be realistic.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready

Christy42

greenfield21 wrote: »

Bad for trump but a great gift to nationalism. If it's not solved soon then we are no doubt facing long term economic changes. I think alot of people on here don't realize we are living in the most globalised free market era ever. Trump has done nothing to change this, but the effects from this event he could only dream of. His policy's have done nothing for America, just look at the tcja.

Who knows vaccine tomorrow and all will be forgotten.

This was largely spread by people going on their holidays. Note that the poorer sections of the world are fine.

People won't want to stop going on their holidays and well people who go on holidays tend to have had more money than those who can't so that won't be stopping. Stopping immigrants from war torn countries wouldn't have stopped this. Why would this end globalisation?

I am sure nationalists will try and blame the immigrants but quite frankly they do that for everything so that really isn't news.

listermint

I think this issue has changed the dynamic of the conversation forever. especially when the GOP are talking of 1K cheques to citizens. The healthcare issue will also now be front and centre for ever more.

I dont see Trump getting a second term i've said it since last summer. I think hes burnt too many bridges even optically for folks who would have been apathetic before

Runaways

I’m confused.

Isn’t giving people money (even in a crisis) communism?? Never mind socialism?

I thought Donald was against that

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Runaways wrote: »

I’m confused.

Isn’t giving people money (even in a crisis) communism?? Never mind socialism?

I thought Donald was against that

It's not communism or socialism anymore when the GOP base needs a bailout.

Runaways

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not communism or socialism anymore when the GOP base needs a bailout.

Yet here we are Donald is doing it.

PropJoe10

Runaways wrote: »

I’m confused.

Isn’t giving people money (even in a crisis) communism?? Never mind socialism?

I thought Donald was against that

Don isn't a Republican - he just licks up to whatever approach he thinks will benefit him. He doesn't have proper political views. Sure he was a Democrat up to about a decade ago.

Leroy42

What is the position if the election itself needs to be postponed?

At the very least it would appear that the normal series of rallies, party conventions etc, are going to have to be cancelled.

Does the power simply short to the House Speaker or could POTUS make the argument that he remains in place in the case of an emergency?

Igotadose

Leroy42 wrote: »

What is the position if the election itself needs to be postponed?

At the very least it would appear that the normal series of rallies, party conventions etc, are going to have to be cancelled.

Does the power simply short to the House Speaker or could POTUS make the argument that he remains in place in the case of an emergency?

It's murky - there's no speaker, either, as all the house is up for election at the same time so unless those elections are run, no speaker.

The states will decide this one, I'm afraid, I don't believe the Federal government actually runs the elections for Federal offices like POTUS, each state has its own ballot and way to vote.

Water John

That's been covered in another thread. Nancy Pelosi becomes POTUS in Jan if no election.
BTW they have plenty time to organise a full, postal ballot.

Leroy42

Water John wrote: »

That's been covered in another thread. Nancy Pelosi becomes POTUS in Jan if no election.

It was discussed, but since this has never happened before, that I am aware of, then we really don't know. As IgotaDose stated, if no Speaker then who takes charge?

Is it more likely to be like we have, Leo remains in place until such time as somebody else can be voted in. But GOP would have a massive say in that and not exactly going to vote Trump out

Penn

Leroy42 wrote: »

It was discussed, but since this has never happened before, that I am aware of, then we really don't know. As IgotaDose stated, if no Speaker then who takes charge?

Is it more likely to be like we have, Leo remains in place until such time as somebody else can be voted in. But GOP would have a massive say in that and not exactly going to vote Trump out

My understanding is that Pelosi would stay as Speaker until an election, but the President can't stay on if no election is held by January 20th (I think), so Pelosi as Speaker would become President

pixelburp

Water John wrote: »

That's been covered in another thread. Nancy Pelosi becomes POTUS in Jan if no election.
BTW they have plenty time to organise a full, postal ballot.

In fairness, that's presuming everyone decide to play by the rules. But surely by now, we know that what's written in law only works up until those in power decide to simply look the other way.

Nancy Pelosi as President? Good lord I can hear the shrill screams of Jeanine Pirro Tucker Carlson in my mind right now. There's a ZERO chance the framework of law would be adhered & applied with sobriety of purpose. Fox News would absolutely push for Trump to remain President "until the crisis is over"

Leroy42

pixelburp wrote: »

In fairness, that's presuming everyone decide to play by the rules. But surely by now, we know that what's written in law only works up until those in power decide to simply look the other way.

Nancy Pelosi as President? Good lord I can hear the shrill screams of Jeanine Pirro Tucker Carlson in my mind right now. There's a ZERO chance the framework of law would be adhered & applied with sobriety of purpose. Fox News would absolutely push for Trump to remain President "until the crisis is over"

Exactly, that was the point I was trying to get to.

We have seen Trump tear up many, previously held, ideas on what is acceptable and the GOP have gone along with it.

It of course started with his refusal to produce his tax returns, then into not divesting from his businesses, then into nepotism, then into attacking the press and then onto actively avoiding the press.

All of these would have been seen to be unthinkable.

We have also seen the defence of 'if the president does it then it is legal'. So there is no reason at all to think that unless it is specially stated in the law then Trump will not attempt to get around whatever rules peoples think exist

everlast75

He is now phrasing it as a "War against the Chinese Flu".

Typical - imagine an enemy, give it a nickname and proceed accordingly. If it's racist, all the better.

Christy42

Dow crashing below the level it was at when Trump took over. This was his main thing he talked about to claim he was doing a good job. I wonder if a tweet storm is incoming.

Water John

The rule of the Constitution and Law prevails and the Supreme Court preserves that. Not Trump's decision.

MadYaker

"Many lives were saved" This is such a tragically odd situation. He knows how fcuked he is and he knows how serious the situation is. Yet thanks to his leadership the entire country is sleep walking into the worst humanitarian disaster in their history. Hopefully his mental state will start to deteriorate even further as the bodies pile up, it'll give me some grim entertainment over the next few weeks as he slowly goes insane on twitter.

Igotadose

MadYaker wrote: »

Yet thanks to his leadership the entire country is sleep walking into the worst humanitarian disaster in their history. Hopefully his mental state will start to deteriorate even further as the bodies pile up, it'll give me some grim entertainment over the next few weeks as he slowly goes insane on twitter.

I think that's hyperbole - Spanish Flu was worse. But, it is indeed potentially one of the worst humanitarian disasters in US history.

duploelabs

Igotadose wrote: »

I think that's hyperbole - Spanish Flu was worse. But, it is indeed potentially one of the worst humanitarian disasters in US history.

Spanish Flu was worse to date, to say categorically that it's worse than the current developing situation is just wrong

one armed dwarf

MadYaker wrote: »

"Many lives were saved" This is such a tragically odd situation. He knows how fcuked he is and he knows how serious the situation is. Yet thanks to his leadership the entire country is sleep walking into the worst humanitarian disaster in their history. Hopefully his mental state will start to deteriorate even further as the bodies pile up, it'll give me some grim entertainment over the next few weeks as he slowly goes insane on twitter.

The stakes for us all are so high here that I can't understand why anyone would wish for his failure.

Unless it's to get him quickly replaced by somebody more able in this time of crisis.

pixelburp

MadYaker wrote: »

"Many lives were saved" This is such a tragically odd situation. He knows how fcuked he is and he knows how serious the situation is. Yet thanks to his leadership the entire country is sleep walking into the worst humanitarian disaster in their history. Hopefully his mental state will start to deteriorate even further as the bodies pile up, it'll give me some grim entertainment over the next few weeks as he slowly goes insane on twitter.

This is the umpteenth time you've predicted "bodies piling up" on this thread, will ya give it a rest. It reads borderline lustful for some apocalyptic result for the sake of ousting Trump. We're living in uncertain times and there's a great deal we still yet know, not least the exact extent this illness has spread across the US. As disdainful as I am for Trump, I still retain some vague hope he recovers a semblance of empathy and competence, so he can help arrest the situation.

26000 Elephants

Igotadose wrote: »

I think that's hyperbole - Spanish Flu was worse. But, it is indeed potentially one of the worst humanitarian disasters in US history.

Well, it's not a good sign that we are looking to something on the scale of Spanish flu to frame this disaster. For something that was an alleged hoax up to a week ago

Lets hope we don't need to compare it to some prehistoric meteor strike at some point.
Thanks, Trump!.

FatherTed

pixelburp wrote: »

This is the umpteenth time you've predicted "bodies piling up" on this thread, will ya give it a rest. It reads borderline lustful for some apocalyptic result for the sake of ousting Trump. We're living in uncertain times and there's a great deal we still yet know, not least the exact extent this illness has spread across the US. As disdainful as I am for Trump, I still retain some vague hope he recovers a semblance of empathy and competence, so he can help arrest the situation.

Come on he will never have any empathy for anything. He's all about protecting himself at any cost no matter what the lie("China flu" etc).
But if things get so bad lets say in 2 months and there are over 100k deaths, do you think he says fk it, this is not worth it and resigns?

PopePalpatine

Perhaps it dawned on Don how much havoc the coronavirus could wreak on his business.

StringerBell

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Despite these facts, a contact of mine who is a member of his evangelical base thinks he has done brilliantly and his leadership has greatly reduced potential fatalities...

WTF?

They don't deal in facts.

Be they Trump supporters, evangelicals, conspiracy nuts, facts are of no concern.

everlast75

I don't know if this was posted here before - but this is incredible.

Anybody equating MSNBC or CNN to Fox is talking utter boll0x.

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1240131226268323842?s=20

StringerBell

Fox will be fox.

check_six

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Perhaps it dawned on Don how much havoc the coronavirus could wreak on his business.

Interested to see a comparison of the timelines of his slow to arrive declarations of a serious problem and when his hotels stopped getting any guests.

Manic Moran

Water John wrote: »

Vaccine is 12/18 months away, I have some hopes for the end of the year, but be realistic.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready

As the article observes, there are two problems to be cleared before we all are happy and vaccinated. The first is just finding one that works and is deemed safe for use. The second is widescale production and distribution. If necessary, some of the former can be short-cutted a bit.

What the article misses, to a large extent, is that this goes out of 'crisis' stage at some stage in between the two dates. In order to at least keep the curve flat, there needs to be enough vaccine to cover those at highest risk of being a conduit, those who contact many other people. Obviously folks like healthcare, police and ambulance. Public and private transport infrastructure. Maybe grocery store workers. Folks working in the countryside or from their keyboard can wait. The US doesn't need 350 million vaccines right now, but a couple million well placed vaccines at high touchpoints in order to deal with transmission rates is going to be of great benefit to give time for the other 347 million folks to have their vaccines made.