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In general proper hand washing is as good as using a hand sanitiser. However for people such as my mother who is in her eighties and suffering from cancer hand sanitisers can be vital. She needs to have one in her hall so that visitors make sure they don't carry in any infection.

We cannot get hold of any, but ut my local chemist told me that when they got a stock in recently people were grabbing handfuls and they were sold out in minutes.

Can I just appeal to people to be aware that if, as a healthy low risk family, they are depleting shops of hand sanitisers, many of which will remain in cupboards unused, they are depriving ill and vulnerable people and their families of a simple way of keeping a loved one safe.

Please, if stocks are replenished, don't hog them and stock pile.. Leave enough to keep ill and vulnerable n people safe.

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seamie78

would that mean a large section would have built up immunity without realizing it and why in china cases fell so rapidly in the end

William Legrande

JoChervil wrote: »

See flu-update-christmas-4949955-Dec2019 on journal.ie page (I am a new user, so not allowed to post links).

From this article:
"There has been a significant increase in the number of over 75s attending emergency departments, up 25% year on year."

I really believe it was Covid-19 running around then and people were not aware of it. 25% is too much of coincident.

I think it was alraedy here only not tested. This first british guy from China, had it there in three hits. First was like a regular cold, then it was like a flu and the third hit was a pneumonia.

And it was the same in my case. I had a strange illness, which hit me twice.

In China they have very polluted air, so in big city people have damaged lungs, so it was easier spotted there with more severe cases. Also they are additionally more vigilant with SARS and MERS history.

So what, if all this panic is unnecessary?

Same here. I had a cold that went away and has come back somewhat and I know others that had the same. It took them a good couple of weeks to be over it. I don't think it's coronavirus, though.

Maybe that guy had a cold and then coronavirus came right after it? Maybe if you are already weakened by battling off a cold that corona then hits harder?

Mister Vain

I went to Lidl in Maynooth this morning. Not too many people there but the few that were there couldn't get in the door quick enough. One guy was throwing stuff onto the belt even though there was only a few people in the queue. Still a lot of panic out there.

[Deleted User]

The death rate seem to be much higher for Corona than flu though, a factor of 10, this would have been noticed somewhere

[Deleted User]

Working on one of the bigger supermarkets in Cork City. Its really busy this morning but nowhere as bad as yesterday. Queues are about 10 people deep this morning as opposed to snaking through the shop yesterday. There is absolutely no shortage of food etc, we just can't get it out fast enough.

appledrop

I'm wondering this aswell. We are very rarely sick in our house but this year we all had the real 'flu' at Christmas.

Never experienced the like of it ever before. We passed it on to each other in the family + couldnt get out of bed for days, could eat very little etc

We all lost weight for Christmas instead of putting it on!

I would 100% believe we had cornavirus except it was actually our son who got if first so maybe it was the flu.

Hard to know.

Wibbs

gct wrote: »

I had what I thought was a cold/flu just before Christmas. I felt Ok for a few days then just after Christmas was hit again with a really bad dry cough that took me about 3 weeks to get rid of. Could this have been covid-19? I know the first cases were reported in China in November.

I had that dose or very similar around Christmas week/New years G. Came on with a sudden fever and chills, a few hours of a sore throat, body aches and then a hacking non productive cough with a bit of a crackling chest. No snots or blocked nose, bit of a headache(and I never get headaches, so might have been worse for others). Didn't feel like any other dose of cold/flu I've ever had. It lasted longer and was a bugger to shift. My lungs still haven't fully recovered even now(which has me personally concerned over Covid).

A couple of mates got it, one worse than me(I got it from him), his wife was really hit by it, got the hard to breath thing and needed antibiotics for a suspected secondary infection. They didn't seem to work but it went away in the end anyway. All have told me they've not got fully back to 100% even a few months in. Of my mate's kids only one seemed to get any symptoms and they were very mild.

There was a general thread on the usual winter doses here in AH and a large percentage reported similar symptoms and there was IIRC a link that said it was a coronavirus, which before this Covid thing kicked off wouldn't have raised any flags.

Set against all that though was the lack of a sudden spike in elderly people getting very ill and dying. Then again it is/was cold and flu season and our wards are full enough of elderly folks with and dying from pneumonia. I know someone through work whose dad passed away in early January and the cause was pneumonia(he'd been under the weather for a while and was in his 80's). Actually both my mum and dad died from pneumonia, both years apart of course and not recently. It's a very common cause of death in the old and/or infirm. I'm sure doctors would have spotted any sudden spike?

I'll say this much though; I'd bet if I and others had caught the same bug today and reported the symptoms there'd be a lot more WTF! and panic going on and we'd almost certainly be tested and told to self isolate and the serious ones like my mate's missus would likely have been asked to go to hospital.

Total and utter conjecture on my part here... What if that dose was an earlier "version" of the same or similar virus, but not nearly as aggressive, but the more aggressive one has followed on in a way that couldn't be missed?

iLikeWaffles

Some embedded videos seem appropriate!!!

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trellheim

I am mystified why people stock up on bread and milk... like... its going to go off in a few days you muppets

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Some of the selfish attitudes on this thread are appalling. Can people not understand that if someone puts themself at risk they put other people at risk too as this is a highly contagious virus. And some of those people you put at risk could very likely be elderly or have underlying conditions meaning contracting covid 19 could be fatal.

odyssey06

trellheim wrote: »

I am mystified why people stock up on bread and milk... like... its going to go off in a few days you muppets

Some people subject it to abuse by freezing bread and the claiming it's still edible months later (this is an AH answer).
I don't have a freezer so have gone for crackers, cheese and long life milk instead. And yes UHT is milk abuse too

[Deleted User]

How does alcohol free beer compare to bread for nutrition? Specifically Hefe types like Erdinger have? Better shelf life anyway.

Bit harder to get in the toaster or to spread the oul butter on though - I grant you

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Total and utter conjecture on my part here... What if that dose was an earlier "version" of the same or similar virus, but not nearly as aggressive, but the more aggressive one has followed on in a way that couldn't be missed?

as an addition to this, the 1918 Spanish flu followed this path. The first wave while a bad dose wasn't nearly so deadly, it was the second wave/mutation that killed millions(people who got the first dose appear to have had some immunity).

morebabies

I can only add that myself and husband got horrible dose of flu Christmas to New Year period, high temperature, very weak, but seemed to abate and then very wheezy chests that could only be cleared with steroids and we were still coughing weeks later. It definitely stood out from any previous colds we've had. Children got a milder version. God wouldn't it be great if that was it.

Raconteuse

Got a mild dose January - mostly just affected sinuses, and then in early February... crikey. When I could actually sleep, I'd wake up soaked. Not damp - wringing out clothing kinda wet. The cough was just insane. Breathing affected too but that was probably just my nose rather than lungs.

It was fecking nasty though. Ended up on two antibiotics for secondary bacterial infection.

The worst of it was short-lived but like the people Wibbs mentioned, it took weeks for the tail end to clear. In fact I still have a very slight bit left (nasal drip/cough - my sinuses are always giving me trouble but thankfully not my lungs/chest).

Wibbs

morebabies wrote: »

God wouldn't it be great if that was it.

It would if it was, or was a similar virus that offered some immunity. But if it wasn't and doesn't which appears more likely, it might mean more serious illness in people whose lungs were compromised by that Christmas bug.

Clarence Boddiker

Was wondering this myself. Know a lot of families who were floored by the flu in December/Jan, lots of kids out of school, far more than usual and even some kids in hospital.

Poly

Raconteuse wrote: »

Got a mild dose January - mostly just affected sinuses, and then in early February... crikey. When I could actually sleep, I'd wake up soaked. Not damp - wringing out clothing kinda wet. The cough was just insane. Breathing affected too but that was probably just my nose rather than lungs.

It was fecking nasty though. Ended up on two antibiotics for secondary bacterial infection.

The worst of it was short-lived but like the people Wibbs mentioned, it took weeks for the tail end to clear. In fact I still have a very slight bit left (nasal drip/cough - my sinuses are always giving me trouble but thankfully not my lungs/chest).

Early Jan for me, Had a very similar dose that knocked me for six, bad cough with feverous sweats for days.

Wibbs

Reading that Journal article https://www.thejournal.ie/flu-update-christmas-4949955-Dec2019/ "Within this, there was a spike in the number of over-75s attending, up 10.7% on the previous week, and up almost 25% on 2018." So there was a spike, but I'm not reading any spike in fatalities. Another article linked on that page from late December: Over 100 people are expected to die of the flu this season. That was a headline then....

One eyed Jack

Cracking tune all the same

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[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

as an addition to this, the 1918 Spanish flu followed this path. The first wave while a bad dose wasn't nearly so deadly, it was the second wave/mutation that killed millions(people who got the first dose appear to have had some immunity).

That also popped into my head after reading your post, but also in the sense that even if the previous illness was a corona-virus (and two corona-virus are already associated with the common cold), it doesn't really make much difference at the moment anyway, the same way the Spanish flu was 'just' another flu still much more lethal than what came before

Edit: ah you also say something similar in another post about the immunity

GBX

trellheim wrote: »

I am mystified why people stock up on bread and milk... like... its going to go off in a few days you muppets

When the panic set in around the snow a few years back I think it just highlight that people can't cook. The auld reliable sandwiches will get them out of a pickle of they are hungry. There diet probably revolves around toasties.

Feisar

BellaBella wrote: »

Some of the selfish attitudes on this thread are appalling. Can people not understand that if someone puts themself at risk they put other people at risk too as this is a highly contagious virus. And some of those people you put at risk could very likely be elderly or have underlying conditions meaning contracting covid 19 could be fatal.

Here, people don't have the mental capacity/empathy to remove their liquids from their bags in the airport to help the security ques move faster and you expect them to actually impinge upon their movement for the greater good!?!:pac::D:pac:

Mad_maxx

appledrop wrote: »

I'm wondering this aswell. We are very rarely sick in our house but this year we all had the real 'flu' at Christmas.

Never experienced the like of it ever before. We passed it on to each other in the family + couldnt get out of bed for days, could eat very little etc

We all lost weight for Christmas instead of putting it on!

I would 100% believe we had cornavirus except it was actually our son who got if first so maybe it was the flu.

Hard to know.

We were sick for about five weeks in our house but it went away by mid January so unlikely to be CV, biggest feature for me was the overwhelming tiredness but i had the dry cough too, we got a vomiting bug just before Christmas too as did our neighbours

Penfailed

JoChervil wrote: »

I really believe it was Covid-19 running around then and people were not aware of it.

I really believe you are wrong.

BanditLuke

BellaBella wrote: »

Some of the selfish attitudes on this thread are appalling. Can people not understand that if someone puts themself at risk they put other people at risk too as this is a highly contagious virus. And some of those people you put at risk could very likely be elderly or have underlying conditions meaning contracting covid 19 could be fatal.

Selfish and the horsey set go hand in hand.

pgj2015

GBX wrote: »

When the panic set in around the snow a few years back I think it just highlight that people can't cook. The auld reliable sandwiches will get them out of a pickle of they are hungry. There diet probably revolves around toasties.

probably mostly white bread used as well.

freshpopcorn

trellheim wrote: »

I am mystified why people stock up on bread and milk... like... its going to go off in a few days you muppets

I don't know anybody who stocked pilled either of these but people do freeze bread.

Wibbs

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Was wondering this myself. Know a lot of families who were floored by the flu in December/Jan, lots of kids out of school, far more than usual and even some kids in hospital.

The Covid 19 dose is different there anyway. Kids are almost never affected by it to any degree. Minuscule percentages.

Then again there seemed to be more than one dose at the time. Of the people I know that had the very similar symptoms to Covid 19 at Christmas, two had taken the flu vaccine, so it likely wasn't that. I've only caught flu once in my life(Swine flu), though have been around people with the flu many times(inc a couple of exes), so seem to have some natural immunity to flu(my dad never had it), but I caught that dose. I also know people who had what was pretty clearly the flu and it presented differently. IE it only went to the chest after a while, it didn't kick off there early on.

[Deleted User]

We also had a big flu wave here in Vienna (I also had it), and I remember reading a newspaper headline that around 250k people had been affected in total, now if that was the case, considering the extra strength of the corona-virus it would have been enough to swamp the health service and would have been noticed through the extra demand on ventilator devices, which iirc aren't needed so much for victims of the flu. Maybe it was a milder version.. but not the current virus