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[Deleted User]

I'm supposed to start a new job on April 6th. I have handed in my notice with the old place etc. Pretty worried that my start date could be moved or changed, hopefully this is unfounded but has me quite worried with everything going on. The company I'm moving to have effectively closed their offices at the moment.

Zzippy

Interested Observer wrote: »

I'm supposed to start a new job on April 6th. I have handed in my notice with the old place etc. Pretty worried that my start date could be moved or changed, hopefully this is unfounded but has me quite worried with everything going on. The company I'm moving to have effectively closed their offices at the moment.

Have you signed a contract?

Squidgy Black

Interested Observer wrote: »

I'm supposed to start a new job on April 6th. I have handed in my notice with the old place etc. Pretty worried that my start date could be moved or changed, hopefully this is unfounded but has me quite worried with everything going on. The company I'm moving to have effectively closed their offices at the moment.

If you've signed a contract and there's a specified start date on it they'd be making an awful mess for themselves if they try and delay your start date without agreement.

Diabhal Beag

Nearly exact situation as yourself IO. My signed contract start date is next week but have been reassured prior to today's news that the date is still a runner.

mfceiling

Yeah people are stupid. Went down to tesco last night for a few bits and pieces to get us to the weekend and for my lunch today.
8.30 last night and it's armageddon there. Shopping trolleys full to bursting with food....why? The world isn't going to end. A lady with a shopping trolley full of bleach and cleaning products...good luck using all that.

Went into lidl to pass 10 minutes this afternoon and it was the same there. Shelves empty and people practically putting anything and everything into their trolleys!!

Don't panic and continue as normal means fcuk all to these people. Who needs 100 rolls of toilet paper? Unless you're running a b+b or you live in a house full of women you need a large dose of cop on.

[Deleted User]

Zzippy wrote: »

Have you signed a contract?

Squidgy Black wrote: »

If you've signed a contract and there's a specified start date on it they'd be making an awful mess for themselves if they try and delay your start date without agreement.

I have yeah. Signed the new contract before I quit my current job of course.

[Deleted User]

The contract is worthless to be honest, they can let you go day 1 as you are on probation.

Speak to them, make sure that there is no risk to your role and if there is ask them to give you plenty of notice.

[Deleted User]

It is beyond me how the American people suffer this simpleton. And it's not just his substantial stupidity - he's intensely mean spirited. There is absolutely nothing redemptive about him. He happily uses a genuine world health crisis (which he has completely reneged his responsibility on) to further his racist, hard-right anti immigration agenda.

https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1238198998802010112?s=20

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The contract is worthless to be honest, they can let you go day 1 as you are on probation.

Speak to them, make sure that there is no risk to your role and if there is ask them to give you plenty of notice.

Agree unfortunately

Neil3030

Deleted User wrote: »

It is beyond me how the American people suffer this simpleton. And it's not just his substantial stupidity - he's intensely mean spirited. There is absolutely nothing redemptive about him. He happily uses a genuine world health crisis (which he has completely reneged his responsibility on) to further his racist, hard-right anti immigration agenda.

https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1238198998802010112?s=20

Things in the U.S. are going to get terrifyingly bad. I read a projection yesterday that 1.6m Americans will die (assuming 50% contraction and 1% mortality).

They had no testing, didn’t identify focal outbreaks, didn’t quarantine entire cities early and it's now diffuse. The whole country is the cruise ship. The numbers just aren't yet in the public.

Europe will soon be reversing this travel ban.

prawnsambo

Neil3030 wrote: »

Things in the U.S. are going to get terrifyingly bad. I read a projection yesterday that 1.6m Americans will die (assuming 50% contraction and 1% mortality).

They had no testing, didn’t identify focal outbreaks, didn’t quarantine entire cities early and it's now diffuse. The whole country is the cruise ship. The numbers just aren't yet in the public.

Europe will soon be reversing this travel ban.

And apparently there are still Facebook posts there saying it's a Democrat hoax. Imagine the thought process that comes up with this stuff. :mad:

bilston

prawnsambo wrote: »

And apparently there are still Facebook posts there saying it's a Democrat hoax. Imagine the thought process that comes up with this stuff. :mad:

The thought process is probably in Russian

prawnsambo

bilston wrote: »

The thought process is probably in Russian

That place that seems to have absolutely no outbreak? Yeah, quite likely.

Neil3030

prawnsambo wrote: »

And apparently there are still Facebook posts there saying it's a Democrat hoax. Imagine the thought process that comes up with this stuff. :mad:

How soon before the propaganda does a complete u-turn and they instead convince themselves this deadly virus, which disproportionately kills older men, was developed by hate-fuelled liberals to stop Trump getting re-elected by wiping out his core vote?

Zzippy

Neil3030 wrote: »

How soon before the propaganda does a complete u-turn and they instead convince themselves this deadly virus, which disproportionately kills older men, was developed by hate-fuelled liberals to stop Trump getting re-elected by wiping out his core vote?

FFS Neil, stop writing their policies for them!

[Deleted User]

Neil3030 wrote: »

How soon before the propaganda does a complete u-turn and they instead convince themselves this deadly virus, which disproportionately kills older men, was developed by hate-fuelled liberals to stop Trump getting re-elected by wiping out his core vote?

You make an interesting point though.

Does this not entirely change the narrative around the next election?

How are two 70+ year old men going to go toe to toe through a national campaign without the risk of getting the virus? What if one has had it and the other hasn't - will that impact how people vote?

Neil3030

Deleted User wrote: »

You make an interesting point though.

Does this not entirely change the narrative around the next election?

How are two 70+ year old men going to go toe to toe through a national campaign without the risk of getting the virus? What if one has had it and the other hasn't - will that impact how people vote?

Markets are currently pricing it at ~9% likely that the democratic candidate will be neither Biden nor Saunders, and I think the point you raise is a large factor in that.

Trump is less at risk, as he is a complete germophobe and prefers the rally style, speeches from the stage type interaction with his support.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

The contract is worthless to be honest, they can let you go day 1 as you are on probation.

Speak to them, make sure that there is no risk to your role and if there is ask them to give you plenty of notice.

I did ask, have been told there's no change in circumstances but it doesn't really give me much reassurance, we don't know what the situation will be like in 3 weeks at all.

aloooof

Deleted User wrote: »

It is beyond me how the American people suffer this simpleton. And it's not just his substantial stupidity - he's intensely mean spirited. There is absolutely nothing redemptive about him. He happily uses a genuine world health crisis (which he has completely reneged his responsibility on) to further his racist, hard-right anti immigration agenda.

https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1238198998802010112?s=20

Can't help but agree. Saw this reported last night. If it's true, he's invited untold misery on countless people's lives to further his own position. It's the complete antithesis of leadership.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1238216578161926145

[Deleted User]

aloooof wrote: »

Can't help but agree. Saw this reported last night. If it's true, he's invited untold misery on countless people's lives to further his own position. It's the complete antithesis of leadership.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1238216578161926145

US media is so blatantly bought and sold that I don't know who to believe

Former Former

[Deleted User] wrote: »

US media is so blatantly bought and sold that I don't know who to believe

NPR is about as close to impartiality as you'll get.

But that story is eminently believable

Neil3030

That'd surely be the end of him, if true. We are literally talking about 100s of thousands, if not millions of Americans dying. Forget impeachment, he'd possibly be facing Federal capital punishment.

[Deleted User]

Interested Observer wrote: »

I did ask, have been told there's no change in circumstances but it doesn't really give me much reassurance, we don't know what the situation will be like in 3 weeks at all.

You are unfortunately correct. I would definitely say the way to deal with it though is to communicate very honestly - let them know that if their circumstances change and they are no longer progressing with the role that you will understand - but that the most important thing for your sake is as much advanced notice as possible.

If you run into any difficulty with it and want some advice send me a PM. Deal with this sort of thing a lot and happy to help.

[Deleted User]

Neil3030 wrote: »

That'd surely be the end of him, if true. We are literally talking about 100s of thousands, if not millions of Americans dying. Forget impeachment, he'd possibly be facing Federal capital punishment.

I don't see why this would be the end of him vs anything else he has or hasn't done.

Deleted User wrote: »

You are unfortunately correct. I would definitely say the way to deal with it though is to communicate very honestly - let them know that if their circumstances change and they are no longer progressing with the role that you will understand - but that the most important thing for your sake is as much advanced notice as possible.

If you run into any difficulty with it and want some advice send me a PM. Deal with this sort of thing a lot and happy to help.

Thanks, hopefully won't come to it so will give you a shout if necessary. They're a very large company so they aren't going to be stuck for cash or struggling to pay staff or anything, so might get in touch with them again next week.

b.gud

Interested Observer wrote: »

I don't see why this would be the end of him vs anything else he has or hasn't done.

Yeah this is the way I'd see it too. I mean it should be the end of him but it's about the 5th thing he's done in his presidency that should be the end of him not counting the countless dumb/dangerous things that just fell short of that bar

Buer

It won't matter a jot. This is a guy who made fun of a disabled person live on camera. A man who attacked a revered war hero. Someone who claimed the last president was not American. He made vulgar comments regarding women which were recorded.

It does not matter what he says or does. He's close to being locked in for the second term. The Republicans control the senate and the judiciary. He's bulletproof from any scandals. It's at the point where any scandal or bombshell can be met with a big fat "So what?"

Neil3030

Please tell me you all understand the difference between acts such as 'saying mean things' and 'causing lots of people to die'?!

[Deleted User]

Interested Observer wrote: »

I don't see why this would be the end of him vs anything else he has or hasn't done.

He has very publicly made his bed downplaying this pandemic, referring to it in a dismissive way and refusing to follow the advice of the medical community. If there is a significant death toll he will find it extremely difficult to distance himself from those remarks. The thing about populists is that when they do eventually piss off their closest supporters those people become their biggest critics. Bolsonaro in Brazil called the virus a fantasy and now he is infected - this virus is cutting through right wing bull**** and damaging their credibility before going on to make their supporters sick. It will absolutely change the political landscape, this will make left wing politics quite popular again but could also be hijacked by anti immigration movements like Trump is trying to do.

The finger pointing between China and the US is worrying though and Trump is likely to get very desperate for a distraction in the weeks ahead.

Interested Observer wrote: »

They're a very large company so they aren't going to be stuck for cash or struggling to pay staff or anything, so might get in touch with them again next week.

Yeah I've heard nothing from any firms or organisations about cutting headcount or recruitment freezes. I'm anticipating it may happen, but right now the sentiment is very much to whether this as best as possible and try and keep a base level of activity while the country bunkers.

[Deleted User]

Buer wrote: »

He's close to being locked in for the second term

I keep seeing this sentiment and don't know where it's coming from.

If the Republicans fully embrace complete election interference then all bets are off - but the reality is that Trump is a very significant margin behind all of Biden, Warren, Buttigeig, Harris and a number of other Democratic options in swing states. He can't retake the Presidency without those states and they've definitely turned their back on him.

The Coronavirus is also not good news for him. Apart from his age, it's going to kill the one thing he has going for him with moderates - the economy.

I'm open minded to the possibility of him winning again - but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that it is likely based on current electoral math.

[Deleted User]

Neil3030 wrote: »

Please tell me you all understand the difference between acts such as 'saying mean things' and 'causing lots of people to die'?!

We're not the people who need to be convinced.

And cutting off your nose to spite your face is the Republican way. They tried to take health insurance away from tens of millions of Americans, that definitely falls into the 'causing lots of people to die' bracket but it isn't going to do him much harm either.