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Trump Bans USA - Europe Travel from Friday for 30 Days.

cson

Jesus ****ing christ.

There probably isn't a more susceptible airline to this than EI.

Update: Apparently Schengen only - clarified by US Department of Homeland Security. Presumably Ireland unaffected.

Update 2: Confirmed Ireland is not on DHS list.

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dfx-

The obvious criticism here would be EI having all their focus and eggs in one transatlantic basket, but then again, everyone is struggling in all directions.

Storm 10

Be interesting to look at flight radar tomorrow, it will be a pretty bare picture.

cson

11.59pm EST Friday, so the Friday wave will get off.

Saturday will be bleak though.

Tenger

Heard anecdotally that the half empty EI flights for tomorrow are rapidly becoming full. It appears that US pax are changing their flights upon hearing this announcement.

kevinandrew

dfx- wrote: »

The obvious criticism here would be EI having all their focus and eggs in one transatlantic basket, but then again, everyone is struggling in all directions.

Definitely. The whole idea of diversifying the network to protect the airline against situations like this is a bit of myth anyway.

Anything big enough to impact the US would no doubt see other markets fall first for the likes of Aer Lingus.

Noxegon

The problem in these situations is that governments act too late. A ban on travel from Europe to the Americas could have had real public health benefits, but the time to do it was in 1492.

L1011

dfx- wrote: »

The obvious criticism here would be EI having all their focus and eggs in one transatlantic basket, but then again, everyone is struggling in all directions.

The diversification people usually clamoured for on here was to the Asian countries that are already locked down, remember

galwaytt

Tenger wrote: »

Heard anecdotally that the half empty EI flights for tomorrow are rapidly becoming full. It appears that US pax are changing their flights upon hearing this announcement.

Did you hear the lady on Joe Duffy yesterday, and how some of her 'friends' thought the borders were being closed, and spent €6,000 to fly home yesterday ?

And they were US citizens, who aren't even affected............... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Peregrinus

galwaytt wrote: »

Did you hear the lady on Joe Duffy yesterday, and how some of her 'friends' thought the borders were being closed, and spent €6,000 to fly home yesterday ?

And they were US citizens, who aren't even affected............... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

There are many stories like this. Trump made a complete hames of announcing the measures and, although corrections were issued very soon afterwards, once a false story has been set going, particularly by somebody with a media profile like Trump's it is extremely difficult to recall it.

Peregrinus wrote: »

There are many stories like this. Trump made a complete hames of announcing the measures and, although corrections were issued very soon afterwards, once a false story has been set going, particularly by somebody with a media profile like Trump's it is extremely difficult to recall it.

It is a very good example of why very clear and carefully prepared and thought out messaging is needed for important decisions like this.

Unfortunately Trump is clearly a toddler who basically is just blurting out whatever comes to into his head and is largely doing this for panicked political reasons.

Tenger

galwaytt wrote: »

Did you hear the lady on Joe Duffy yesterday, and how some of her 'friends' thought the borders were being closed, and spent €6,000 to fly home yesterday ?

And they were US citizens, who aren't even affected............... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

No. Don’t listen to radio (just never got into the habit)
I’ve got mates in EI and the missus is crew. But the mates corroborate this, the flights today were filling up with ppl rebooking to leave Europ earlier.

The Oval Office announcement was spectacularly bad.
DHS had to make 2 corrections within 30 mins, and Trump made one himself via tweet. I’m wondering did he go off script, or is he just unable to follow a teleprompter?

Van.Bosch

Tenger wrote: »

No. Don’t listen to radio (just never got into the habit)
I’ve got mates in EI and the missus is crew. But the mates corroborate this, the flights today were filling up with ppl rebooking to leave Europ earlier.

The Oval Office announcement was spectacularly bad.
DHS had to make 2 corrections within 30 mins, and Trump made one himself via tweet. I’m wondering did he go off script, or is he just unable to follow a teleprompter?

I suspect he listened to a briefing, thought he understood it, went on TV winging it and had to be told after the difference between Europe and the Schengen region.

Coil Kilcrea

On the contrary, this man doesn't listen to anybody because he knows more than you will ever know and you cannot even imagine the stuff he knows because nobody knows except him. He's the man who said that it's okay to go to work with the virus.....:eek:

scoobydude

So if these flights are canceled, do the airlines still fly the route to keep the slot, or are the skies emptier as a result of this? I'd heard they need to use the slot to keep it, but it could be just hearsay.

As a followup, how much less fuel would an empty plane (apart from crew) use in comparison to a fully loaded one?

Coil Kilcrea

Airlines need to fly slots to keep them in a 'use them, or lose them' philosophy designed to stop anti-competitive practices where airlines would hold slots at airports that are very valuable. EI's slots at LHR are conservatively valued a 1.5 Billion.

The EU has now suspended the need to fly slots empty.

trellheim

EI's slots at LHR are conservatively valued a 1.5 Billion.

aren't a bunch of them rented out ?

Irish Steve

Sky news reporting that UK and Ireland are to be added to the ban, no information yet about when that will come into force

Credit Checker Moose

Irish Steve wrote: »

Sky news reporting that UK and Ireland are to be added to the ban, no information yet about when that will come into force

Effective Monday night.

Coil Kilcrea

Irish Steve wrote: »

Sky news reporting that UK and Ireland are to be added to the ban, no information yet about when that will come into force

Monday, according to CNN, but with this moron, who knows? Everything he mutters and mangles has to be walked back, interpreted and dots joined.

zell12

Confirmed
BBC - US to extend coronavirus travel ban to UK and Ireland from Monday

Mike Pence has announced all travel to the UK and Ireland will be suspended from midnight Monday EST.

bilbot79

I guess this doesn't impact Irish already in the US and needing to come home

Beersmith

bilbot79 wrote: »

I guess this doesn't impact Irish already in the US and needing to come home

it does

Nijmegen

bilbot79 wrote: »

I guess this doesn't impact Irish already in the US and needing to come home

They will be allowed to come home but finding a seat on one of the rapidly dwindling numbers of flights will be fun.

Incidentally, the "screening" is more likely to spread the virus than catch it...

https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1239102590719332354?s=19

Coil Kilcrea

Returning home will be a nightmare and expensive. That said, I would much rather be here than over there because holy hell will break out when they realise the scale of this virus.

cuterob

I have a flight booked to ewr for next saturday with united, obviously not going now but just wondering will United cancel that flight? or will it fly anyway for US citizens? will i be allowed to get a refund because I am not allowed on the flight? it is kind of a grey area unfortunately

If it comes to it I dont mind if I have to change the flight for free but would prefer to get a refund so can have some time to reschedule

podgeandrodge

I see there are non cargo flights like MAD - JFK in the air right now, are these not banned right now?

edit : apologies, not aer lingus related (American Airlines) but anyway..

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podgeandrodge wrote: »

I see there are non cargo flights like MAD - JFK in the air right now, are these not banned right now?

edit : apologies, not aer lingus related (American Airlines) but anyway..

Flights can still fly but they cannot take passengers that are from listed European countries. They also must only fly to certain reception cities in the US. Aer Lingus could fly for the next 30 days if they wanted but they would be flying pretty empty aircraft.

WHL

What about the air crew. I presume they won’t be allowed off unless they are US citizens

d51984

Theres exceptions been made for air crews AFAIK.

jamescd

I have a flight for me and my family to New York on the 2nd week of April with Aer Lingus. Now that Ireland is banned, does that mean flights will be cancelled and I will be refunded? Haven't heard anything from them.