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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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TomOnBoard

Christy42 wrote: »

He specifically called out trade and cargo from Europe being banned. It was the most important line of the speech really and it was, as so much of Trump's sentences are, a lie.

I get stopping a lot of passengers from Italy/Germany etc. but the cargo thing would have been a directed attack on Europe and annihilated the economy. I mean the man has no idea what is going on with his own countries reaction to the virus. He was obviously given talking points right before going on and doesn't have a clue about anything himself.

I don't care if your policies are Republican but elect someone who knows what is going on at least. This is just pathetic.

Remember, the White House is currently operating without a Chief of Staff who would normally be front and centre of an Oval office address. Mulvaney was ousted on Friday and incoming COS Mark Meadows is in isolation. It now seems that Kushner who is Trump's ' Inspector Gadget' despite being totally useless, has been given responsibility for managing Trump's Coronavirus portfolio so I suspect he would have been heavily involved in that address last night!

aloyisious

He's flip-flopped on blaming China for the outbreak. His NSA and Marco Rubio have been no help to him in that regard, blaming China for covering up on the virus for 2 months and setting back the worlds [incl the US] response and ability to get into gear to fight and kill off the virus. Dons pronouncements are going to wreck world trade and have a side effect on the morale of the workers in state and other US Govt Dept's trying to keep the train on the tracks. Wait for Wall St and the unions to call the White House and Senate. Edit: On second thoughts, its useless calling the White House, concentrate on the Senate.

Christy42

aloyisious wrote: »

The State Dept must be working overtime to correct the impression that the US is a trainwreck right now. Announcing the new foreign travel policy out of the blue like that, Mr President - loco driver of the year. I can just imagine what the guests faces would have looked like. Wall St must be in worry-mode right now.

He specifically called out trade and cargo from Europe being banned. It was the most important line of the speech really and it was, as so much of Trump's sentences are, a lie.

I get stopping a lot of passengers from Italy/Germany etc. but the cargo thing would have been a directed attack on Europe and annihilated the economy. I mean the man has no idea what is going on with his own countries reaction to the virus. He was obviously given talking points right before going on and doesn't have a clue about anything himself.

I don't care if your policies are Republican but elect someone who knows what is going on at least. This is just pathetic.

aloyisious

The State Dept must be working overtime to correct the impression that the US is a trainwreck right now. Announcing the new foreign travel policy out of the blue like that, Mr President - loco driver of the year. I can just imagine what the guests faces would have looked like. Wall St must be in worry-mode right now.

Christy42

Leroy42 wrote: »

He only excluded the UK.

No it doesn't. We reacted far too hastily in listening to Trump about what a Trump policy might be. It really seems like the new measures and what Trump said are pretty different.

This was meant to be nothing to worry about a few days ago according to the man in question. The US also has a very high death for # of cases so I would not be surprised if this is trying to preempt a large jump in numbers by blaming someone else.

johnnyskeleton

Leroy42 wrote: »

He only excluded the UK.

The white house clarified that it was just schengen:

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0312/1121759-coronavirus/

Likewise, they confirmed it wasnt a total ban, and US citizens could still fly home and that the reference to goods was a mistake

Leroy42

Foxtrol wrote: »

So Ireland also not on the banned list... good thing for once that Trump has a property here.

He only excluded the UK.

johnnyskeleton

everlast75 wrote: »

Your ability to comment on some trump ridiculousness without insulting him is quite a talent.

listermint wrote: »

Tbf you do have an increasing penchant to jump to a middle ground defence for trump regardless of how abjectly wrong he acts. This has worsened over time. I don't think it's an insult to point out the facts.

Would you vote for trump 2020 genuine question

Mod note:

Play the ball not the man thanks

listermint

Manic Moran wrote: »

You'll be, I think, hard pressed to find my insulting anyone on Boards for any reason.

I've never found it to be necessary and it doesn't make arguments any better.

Tbf you do have an increasing penchant to jump to a middle ground defence for trump regardless of how abjectly wrong he acts. This has worsened over time. I don't think it's an insult to point out the facts.

Would you vote for trump 2020 genuine question

TomOnBoard

Foxtrol wrote: »

Dow futures down 900 points, whatever he was trying to do by pointing the blame elsewhere hasn't helped the market yet so far.

NBA has suspended their season now too.

Blaming the Europeans isn't going to work. Things are really unraveling for him

A very poor leadership performance that had a chance to re-assure through positive measures but completely failed to do so.

Stop travel from Europe was the principal measure, and he even fcuked that up! He included cargo / goods in his address and had to tweet a reversal afterwards. He announced the new measure apparently blind-siding his European so-called allies. Said that co-pays would not apply to insured Covid sufferers, and had to clarify that any treatments would still require co-pays: his measure applied to testing alone . No substantive measures for managing the epidemic that disease management professionals are saying is brewing under the surface but is not being surfaced due to CDC testing policies up to now. They simply havent been testing people (even refusing to test ppl with symptoms). The Administration has hidden relevant meetings and information from professionals and the public by abnormal use of secret classifications, just because the disease originated in China. Appalling CDC testing policies have resulted in two months of active monitoring and containment being lost. Lies and misinformation are being trotted out on a daily basis by the usual suspects such as KAC and the likes, and now the Surgeon General has been inducted into the cult of lies and BS that is being propagated. His comments on Trump to Jake Tapper on Sunday were a disgrace and clearly an outright lie as all can see. And that's at the nub of all this. When ppl in power lie with such abandon, how the **** can any sentient being believe a word they say? And when a crisis is as big as this one is, anything they say is simply not believable. It seems that only Dr Anthony Fauci has any credibility in all this!

A country in crisis within a world in crisis has once again been pushed deeper into that crisis by an inept leader who went on TV to beat his chest for his great actions and blame everyone else for the situation without offering any material help and/or believable hope to the people he is supposed to be leading. No doubt 30-40% of the population will be happy with tonight's address; the other 60-70% will be more confused and frightened than ever after it.

Great job, Mr President!

Manic Moran

everlast75 wrote: »

Your ability to comment on some trump ridiculousness without insulting him is quite a talent.

You'll be, I think, hard pressed to find my insulting anyone on Boards for any reason.

I've never found it to be necessary and it doesn't make arguments any better.

peddlelies

everlast75 wrote: »

Here's a slip of the mask from 45.... the lack of confidence in this guy is making things a million times worse

What am I missing? There is literally nothing untoward in that video

MadYaker

He has the oddest speech and mannerisms of any human I've ever seen. Honestly if his head fell off and we found he was an alien robot id be thinking to myself, you know what that makes way more sense.

everlast75

Manic Moran wrote: »

I didn't watch the speech, so I don't know quite how 'wrong' he got it, but the 'actual' 30-day ban is here.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting-secretary-chad-f-wolf-s-statement-presidential-proclamation

Your ability to comment on some trump ridiculousness without insulting him is quite a talent.

Here's a slip of the mask from 45.... the lack of confidence in this guy is making things a million times worse

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1237913880669683718?s=19

GM228

Manic Moran wrote: »

I didn't watch the speech, so I don't know quite how 'wrong' he got it, but the 'actual' 30-day ban is here.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting-secretary-chad-f-wolf-s-statement-presidential-proclamation

And the actual Presidential Order here:-

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-certain-additional-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/

Manic Moran

I didn't watch the speech, so I don't know quite how 'wrong' he got it, but the 'actual' 30-day ban is here.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting-secretary-chad-f-wolf-s-statement-presidential-proclamation

everlast75

https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1237862146588831747?s=19

Wow. It's almost like the allegations of corruption against Hunter were projection and trump is scared of anyone investigatjng his kids.

Bloomberg should jump at this show of weakness and pump billions into investigating them.

GM228

Foxtrol wrote: »

So Ireland also not on the banned list... good thing for once that Trump has a property here.

It's just by chance because we are not members of Schengen.

Foxtrol

So Ireland also not on the banned list... good thing for once that Trump has a property here.

Foxtrol

Dow futures down 900 points, whatever he was trying to do by pointing the blame elsewhere hasn't helped the market yet so far.

NBA has suspended their season now too.

Blaming the Europeans isn't going to work. Things are really unraveling for him

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

aloyisious wrote: »

I'm reading online now that Don told reporters that he would be making a TV statement at 8PM Washington time last night, then tweeted it would be at 9 PM. I didn't get to see it, if he did make one. It's being reported as breaking news that the US will be closing its air borders to European countries [excluding the UK] for 30 days from this Friday. Did anyone see Dons TV appearance or statement, or anything he tweeted about it or its content?

It’s bizarre he’s excluding the UK from the ban yet we have Leo over there with his bowl of Shamrock doing the leprechaun routine and we are banned. I Edit: News over night we not banned it’s just Schengen.

aloyisious

I'm reading online now that Don told reporters that he would be making a TV statement at 8PM Washington time last night, then tweeted it would be at 9 PM. I didn't get to see it, if he did make one. It's being reported as breaking news that the US will be closing its air borders to European countries [excluding the UK] for 30 days from this Friday. Did anyone see Dons TV appearance or statement, or anything he tweeted about it or its content?

Edit. Uh ok, just seen the last three posts after I pushed the post button. Will have to look at US online papers.

MadYaker

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gets it. He probably does meet and greets shaking hands etc most days.

GM228

Trump doesn't sound well tonight.

Foxtrol

Even ignoring the content, Trump sounded terrible tonight. Seemed to be mixing up words and trailing off mid sentence.

Nice hot mic moments of him too, both before and after

https://twitter.com/pittst3r/status/1237911192368275456?s=20

https://twitter.com/knoweyedentity/status/1237910275946405888?s=20

aloyisious

It seems that in the interests of national security, the NSC in Jan [at White House level] ordered the federal health officials at HHS attending the top-level discussions on the virus to treat the meetings as classified and kept in a high security room at the Dept of Health & Human Services. This has lead to virus fight experts and other Dept officials being kept in the dark about dozens of the meetings as they do not have the necessary classification access level to the results of the discussions. This may have hampered the work of the Dept's medical staffers in combatting the virus as they could not be made aware of the outcome of the discussions and decisions declared as classified by the Dept and inevitably led to the present virus outbreak situation in the US.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive-idUSKBN20Y2LM

PropJoe10

Sonics2k wrote: »

Can we take a few minutes to discuss that Trump has actually said he has a "hunch" the actual death rate is lower than is being officially reported by the WHO and other experts in various reports.

The man is literally lying to his people about this.

Honestly, as the last person said, there's little point. After watching that clip of him standing around with leading scientists in the field and rambling on about how he has a "natural ability" for science and how people couldn't believe how much he knew, I've totally given up.

I'm only surprised that he hasn't claimed he's so healthy that he's actually the only person on the planet that's immune to the virus. He's probably working up to that.

PropJoe10

Stallingrad wrote: »

Oh the sweet irony. The first ever Twitter "manipulated media." post comes from the White House, where 'fake news' is the daily battle cry.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/twitters-1st-manipulated-media-warning-white-house/story?id=69504259&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_heads_hero_live_headlines_hed

I hope for his sake that they don't decide to go back through his account. I would say that over 75% of his Twitter posts are at least some level of nonsense. Probably a good high % of that figure is outright lies.

That's even before you start on the slander, bullying and petty insults. His Twitter account is an absolute cesspool of utter nonsense.

Nody

Oh dear; looks like the Affordable Care Act (or Obamacare) may get ruled as illegal under Trumps watch because they decided to set the tax part of it to zero. Why would this be bad? Well for starters a lot of people will lose their healthcare and a lot of the previous escapes insurance could use to deny it (claiming it was an existing condition) will come back in play and that would affect quite a bit of even the Republicans as well. Secondly; there's this minor Corona virus thing going on at the moment; people who're not making great money can't exact afford to sit at home as it stands and then cut their ability to get treated/checked (inc. the complications it causes in general) on top of needing hospitalization for serious cases? Well if you thought the corona virus was bad previously now remove healthcare and hospitalization for the bottom 50% of the population into the scenario and think of the effect of that. And it will not only affect that population because all those waiters, maids, cleaners etc. will be in those fancy houses spreading it as well... If you want a lawyers view on it I strongly recommend Leonard French who goes through it without personal bias on the facts.

looksee

Sonics2k wrote: »

Can we take a few minutes to discuss that Trump has actually said he has a "hunch" the actual death rate is lower than is being officially reported by the WHO and other experts in various reports.

The man is literally lying to his people about this.

Not really, tbh. Its same old same old. I know where you are coming from, and I agree, but he is beyond reason and sense at this stage. Hopefully things can be kept under control in spite of him, but it would be much easier with leadership.