all about the mane wrote: » You are wasting your time. At first I thought he just jumped on the headline but now it looks like he genuinely doesn't understand what the article says. leave him off. At least it provided a bit of comic relief.
road_high wrote: » When you dont know your arse from your elbow I suppose it’s easier to return to the default position of blame. I’ve said it multiple times- sf have zero interest in governing. The last they’d want is a larger majority- they’d like some extra seats to be stronger in their usual cushy opposition mode but other than that they just want FF FG in together. The SF front bench is so breathtakingly lacking in ability they’re literally terrified of it. If MLM was serious about being Taoiseach she’d be doing serious government negotiations with the majority of lefties now in the Dáil. But alas no, easier park her arse in front of a megaphone whipping up the usual suspects around the SF circuit
FrancieBrady wrote: » Wish you guys and gals would make up your minds - it's an IRA plot to take over the south and create a commie brit-free paradise or SF don't want to go the next step and enter government.
road_high wrote: » majority of lefties now in the Dáil.
smurgen wrote: » There data is in here.page 25. Have a look when you stop laughing.https://www.credit-suisse.com/about-us-news/en/articles/news-and-expertise/global-investment-returns-yearbook-201902.html
markodaly wrote: » I posted this before but, why are the same posters who were decrying FG in government the past 9 years now upset that they won't go back into government.
blanch152 wrote: » I haven't stopped laughing since you posted that. The graph on page 25 illustrates the difference between two types of investment approaches in different countries, value versus growth, and has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with the overall investment return and the point you make. To be fair, your comprehension of economic data is probably on a par with Pearse Doherty's.
smurgen wrote: » It's the most negative in Ireland for short term and long term growth for value investing that's what figure 16 shows. Are you saying this is good from an investment point of view?
smurgen wrote: » Simple question that will help me gauge your understanding.would you rather you had invested in Finland's stock as depicted in the graph or Ireland's?
Bowie wrote: » It was bullshyte then too. We were/are discussing what formation a government might take. We are also comparing Leo relishing going into opposition, reaffirming that last week and reaffirming it again today, yet that's not him being a willing hurler from the ditch or a whinger who doesn't want to govern as we've heard about others in opposition in the past, for some reason. I would suggest even normal humans who vote FG and dare I say ministers, are allowed and indeed may often criticise their party from time to time. It's healthy I would think. If Leo thinks he's doing such a great job and has an interest in the country doing well, why does he 'relish' opposition so? I think it's because he's a petulant brat/sore loser myself.
blanch152 wrote: » Any party that gains votes and seats in an election or finishes with the highest number of votes or seats has to consider going into government. That applied to Sinn Fein in 2011 and 2016 and they hurled from the ditch, it applies to them now too, and they are making a complete hames of it, hurling insults left, right and centre, off rallying, instead of talking and compromising. It applied to FG in 2011 and 2016 and they stepped up to the plate.A party that loses votes and seats in an election should head into opposition just like FF and Greens in 2011, Labour in 2016 and now FG in 2020. Government should only be an option as a last resort. Apply those principles and you can see how SF can be criticised for 2016 and FG absolved for 2020. I don't recall you doing anything other than defending SF in 2016 and ever since. If there is one thing worse than a sore loser, it is a sore winner. There seem to plenty of the SF variety of those around these days.
Suckit wrote: » By that logic, both FF and FG should head into opposition as they both lost votes and seats. It's nonsense. Pure and utter scutter. FG and FF ran their campaign saying that they wouldn't go into government with SF. Leo needs to step down, there should be another election. If FG don't have the balls for that, then try to form a government. This spoiled brat nonsense to hold on to the caretaker seat isn't helping anyone, and more importantly it isn't for the good of the country. How long does he intend on keeping up ths charade?
blanch152 wrote: » Read my first paragraph: "Any party that gains votes and seats in an election or finishes with the highest number of votes or seats has to consider going into government" You can apply my principles for the last five or six elections and see who hurled from the ditch and who stepped up. 125 TDs got elected on the "Get FG out" platform, so you and others need to stop making excuses for them.
Suckit wrote: » That's true of every party. EVERY party has a duty whether they finish lose 12, 20 or whatever amount of seats to help form a government. It is especially true id the party are holding almost half the seats required to form a majority government.
FrancieBrady wrote: » That is part of the problem. Nobody wants a government of one of the power swap parties and the comfy seat hoggers anymore. Except maybe people like yourself.
blanch152 wrote: » Nope, read my post again, it is pretty clear on how I see it. They are a set of sound principles that can be applied to most election results.
Suckit wrote: » Who cares how you see it? It's not how it actually works. If any party cannot form a government for whatever reason, then it is left to the rest. SF cannot form a government because FF and FG ruled out of going in with them during their campaign. How is this so hard to see? Now it is up to them as the (your words) two parties who finished with the highest votes and seats that can form a government. If they are not willing to do that, then call another election.
blanch152 wrote: » I don't know. All I heard was Mary-Lou going around for a week or so telling everyone she was going for form a left-wing government. Now, all I see are her followers running for cover, making excuses.
blanch152 wrote: » "has to consider" doesn't mean must do so.
Bowie wrote: » If LV thought they (FG/FF) were doing such good works and cared about the country...they'd be looking to get back in. Pretty simple.
Bowie wrote: » But SF are the ones with a duty :rolleyes: They don't have the numbers but they are trying at least.
christy c wrote: » He could be also thinking let SF in and expose the stupidity of their promises, which might be better for the country long term. More likely IMO, is that he's playing some type of game like they all are.
