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My â‚¬100m BEAM scheme

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Thought it deserved a thread of its own as it was taking over me beef price.

My reading so far is that the farm must reduce its nitrates per farm as opposed to reducing the nitrates per ha am i reading this correct?

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Base price

Aravo wrote: »

My reading of things is that you must have your reduction in place from 01/07/20 to 30/06/21. So you cant sell off at end of May 2021 and say that you are then compliant.

It clearly says 5% reduction for the period 1/7/20 to the 30/6/21.

Cavanjack

It says on agfood what your kg/N must be for the year. It is 5% below the reference years figures. You could double your stock numbers for the first couple of months if you wanted and reduce hard for the last few months. Doesn’t matter how you do it all long as that figure is right at the end.

kk.man

Cavanjack wrote: »

It says on agfood what your kg/N must be for the year. It is 5% below the reference years figures. You could double your stock numbers for the first couple of months if you wanted and reduce hard for the last few months. Doesn’t matter how you do it all long as that figure is right at the end.

Another option is you reduce beef number by 5% and increase sheep numbers by as much as you can. That really suits the Beef and sheep farmers in the scheme.

Base price

@ tanko - just wondering if you appealed/got sorted for the cows you sold through the mart/factory agent. Considering that there was €25m not claimed I would hope you got paid.

tanko

Computer said no.

bogman_bass

Base price wrote: »

It clearly says 5% reduction for the period 1/7/20 to the 30/6/21.

Yes. It’s the number of cattle you have over that period. Not the number you sell during that period.

josephsoap

Is there any penalties applied if you don’t comply with the conditions of the BEAM scheme (5% reduction bit) ? Would you just have to pay the money back in 2021 ?

Grueller

josephsoap wrote: »

Is there any penalties applied if you don’t comply with the conditions of the BEAM scheme (5% reduction bit) ? Would you just have to pay the money back in 2021 ?

Just pay back

memorystick

Stupid question. Are sheep taken into account for reducing numbers or is it only cattle?

Bass Reeves

memorystick wrote: »

Stupid question. Are sheep taken into account for reducing numbers or is it only cattle?

Only cattle it is bovine nitrates that is calcuy. So you can expand sheep numbers to collect the money.

I think it will impact on the market from late this year on . After a profitable store year lads will push prices up and lads switching over from beam will add pressure to the system.

Now on the other side larger finisher's will have to reduce stock nitrates by 5%.exporting slurry to do that will not suffice. So some really big finisher's if they do not adapt there systems from early on the year may have to take sharp corrective action from late this year or early next year.

Only thing that will help is stock numbers for finishing in the country have reduced since last year

jfh

hi all,i have to reduce by 220kgs, so a suckler cow is 65kgs, that's over 3 cows.
got the cows scanned & all in calf bar one, so not going to be able to cull until the end of 2020.
am i right in saying that the reduction before june 2021? so technically i could still get away with keeping cow numbers the same & just selling end of this year?
how do we know if we are on track to meet this 5% reduction?
apologies for rambling post but i'm sure i'm not alone in this, it's a confusing enough scheme

Bass Reeves

jfh wrote: »

hi all,i have to reduce by 220kgs, so a suckler cow is 65kgs, that's over 3 cows.
got the cows scanned & all in calf bar one, so not going to be able to cull until the end of 2020.
am i right in saying that the reduction before june 2021? so technically i could still get away with keeping cow numbers the same & just selling end of this year?
how do we know if we are on track to meet this 5% reduction?
apologies for rambling post but i'm sure i'm not alone in this, it's a confusing enough scheme

This is total reduction. It covers cows, calves and even your bull. It from July 1st 2020 to June 31st 2021.

To cover 220kgs you would need to reduce by approx 3cows and there calves. You with have a high number of cows over 60 or are finishing all your cattle.

You have to adjust for extra or lesser numbers of both. It not the number of cows it you total stocking numbers.

Is your bull due to be culled bu culling him in August and not replacing until.nect March/April you would have 40kgs N reduced.

You really need to get someone that understand the system to sit down go through your system and adjust it to reduce nitrates

mr.stonewall

jfh wrote: »

hi all,i have to reduce by 220kgs, so a suckler cow is 65kgs, that's over 3 cows.
got the cows scanned & all in calf bar one, so not going to be able to cull until the end of 2020.
am i right in saying that the reduction before june 2021? so technically i could still get away with keeping cow numbers the same & just selling end of this year?
how do we know if we are on track to meet this 5% reduction?
apologies for rambling post but i'm sure i'm not alone in this, it's a confusing enough scheme

It's down to the reduction in nitrates produced over the 12 months. That reduction is 3 cows over 12 months or the equvilant of 6 cows less over 6 months or 12 cows less in the herd over 3 months. All add up to 36 months (3 cows over 12 months)

wrangler

jfh wrote: »

hi all,i have to reduce by 220kgs, so a suckler cow is 65kgs, that's over 3 cows.
got the cows scanned & all in calf bar one, so not going to be able to cull until the end of 2020.
am i right in saying that the reduction before june 2021? so technically i could still get away with keeping cow numbers the same & just selling end of this year?
how do we know if we are on track to meet this 5% reduction?
apologies for rambling post but i'm sure i'm not alone in this, it's a confusing enough scheme

The reduction has to be for the whole year june 2020 - june 2021 so if you don't reduce until 1st january you'll have to reduce by six cows from then on to average the reduction over 12 mths.
Here's the rule
''Reduce the production on the holding of bovine livestock manure nitrogen by 5% for the
period 01 July 2020 to 30 June 2021 as compared with the period 01 July 2018 to 30 June
2019 as recorded on Department systems. Slurry exports are not reckonable as reduction.''

Someyolk

I’m going to end up with a few empty pens next winter because of this scheme and just cutting back a bit. Anyone have experience of taking in cattle to feed for someone else (suppose B and B is the correct term)?
Let’s say feeding my own silage and meal. Could possibly do it for a dairy man. Do they have to be transferred into my herd which would rule it out because of beam? What way is this type of thing usually priced?

mr.stonewall

Someyolk wrote: »

I’m going to end up with a few empty pens next winter because of this scheme and just cutting back a bit. Anyone have experience of taking in cattle to feed for someone else (suppose B and B is the correct term)?
Let’s say feeding my own silage and meal. Could possibly do it for a dairy man. Do they have to be transferred into my herd which would rule it out because of beam? What way is this type of thing usually priced?

B+b would require them to be moved into your herdnumber. This will add cattle nitrates to the system. Could work the other way to move some cattle out on this system to make the reduction.

memorystick

Is it safe to house store lambs (40kg+) on cattle slats?

wrangler

memorystick wrote: »

Is it safe to house store lambs (40kg+) on cattle slats?

Not really,I've had ewes break their legs on cattle slats, gap is too wide

Bass Reeves

Someyolk wrote: »

I’m going to end up with a few empty pens next winter because of this scheme and just cutting back a bit. Anyone have experience of taking in cattle to feed for someone else (suppose B and B is the correct term)?
Let’s say feeding my own silage and meal. Could possibly do it for a dairy man. Do they have to be transferred into my herd which would rule it out because of beam? What way is this type of thing usually priced?

most dairy farmers are in nitrates derogations. The majority would want cattle moved off there books for that reason alone. If cattle are not moved the rate would more than likly be uneconomical to keep them.

Its a term of beam it a matter of living with it if it pays or pay back the money if not.

mr.stonewall

Have to reduce by 389 kg. My stock numbers are growing slowly so this will impact more as it won't be the 5% reduction. I'm planning on finishing cattle earlier and removing any cull suckler cows earlier out of the system.

The 389 kg breaks down to a reduction of 7 cows/cattle over 2yr old over the 12months. That reduction comes to 84month equivalents (7x 12 months). So if can finish 25 cattle 3months earlier this will give reduction of 75 months equvilant. This will help greatly. Think this is the way I'm going to work it.
Will have to start early as trying to gain the reduction towards the end will not work.

valtra2

How are you finding out how much you have to reduce

Base price

valtra2 wrote: »

How are you finding out how much you have to reduce

Log onto your Agfood.ie account. Click on the 6th link on the left hand side of the screen "Exceptional Aid Measures". Then click on "Applications" which is on the top left hand side within a blue ribbon. Then click on the O for BEAM scheme. Then click on "View Application" above the blue ribbon. Scroll down the page and see the section called "Bovine Livestock Manure Nitrogen". At the bottom of that section see "Minimum reduction required to meet BEAM commitments" and it shows a figure/number in kgs. That is the figure/number that you need to reduce by.
Edit to say: if your agricultural consultant applied on your behalf then maybe she/he is the best person to consult.

mr.stonewall

Thank you for your email, the Department are working on a system for herd owners to track their nitrates throughout the scheme dates, this is currently not available until closer to the scheme dates.

A reply from the dept when I looked to see have they any planning tool in place or in the pipeline

jfh

I wonder if they will announce leeway to the stock reduction with the current situation.

Cavanjack

jfh wrote: »

I wonder if they will announce leeway to the stock reduction with the current situation.

Wouldn’t think so. Lads have until 30 June to sell stock to start the reference period and 12 months after that to adjust it.

I says

I’ve to get rid of one animal

leoch

Will they send out a letter to tell u how many u can have or ur max allowance

Bass Reeves

leoch wrote: »

Will they send out a letter to tell u how many u can have or ur max allowance

They cannot as all herds vary. If your cows calf earlier next year it will effect it. If you sell stock as weanlings or yearlings if you hold them a week longer it will effect it

If you hold onto a cull cow or buy a replacement it will effect it

tractorporn

Cavanjack wrote: »

Wouldn’t think so. Lads have until 30 June to sell stock to start the reference period and 12 months after that to adjust it.

Does the reduction have to be made before the 1st of July or do you have that 12 month period to make the reduction?

tanko

tractorporn wrote: »

Does the reduction have to be made before the 1st of July or do you have that 12 month period to make the reduction?

It's averaged over the twelve months.