FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

all about the mane wrote: »

As Mary Loo said, people voted for change. FG are not a change. So others need to step up.

Have you missed the news.

Leo has been lying again. He is 'stepping up'.

Why?
Because the last thing Leo wants is another election and to face the wrath of his own voters.

The 'hole' that he is in, BTW.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What's the next line of the directive: 'but FG as founders of the state will not be found wanting if a government cannot be found'.

In other words - we are too afraid to put our noses up and fulfill the mandate our own voters gave us.

It's fooling nobody, right on cue they are making the noises expected of them by people living in the real world.

As Mary Loo said, people voted for change. FG are not a change. So others need to step up.

Yurt! wrote: »

On the contrary, I'm loving the position FG find themselves in. It will take all the clever boys and girls you can muster to get out of it.

To get out of what? FG are not the ones in a hole...

all about the mane wrote: »

The electorate voted for change. FG respect this. Time for those with a mandate to step up.

What's the next line of the directive: 'but FG as founders of the state will not be found wanting if a government cannot be found'.

In other words - we are too afraid to put our noses up and fulfill the mandate our own voters gave us.

It's fooling nobody, right on cue they are making the noises expected of them by people living in the real world.

all about the mane wrote: »

‘Shooting yourself in the...’. There you go again. It seems you are far more upset about FG’s result than their voters are. The election result for FG didn’t come as any great surprise to their voters. They know it’s time to regroup. It’s a perfectly acceptable strategy.

On the contrary, I'm loving the position FG find themselves in. It will take all the clever boys and girls you can muster to get out of it.

joe swanson wrote: »

Damned if they do , damned if they don’t.

Let the shinners step up and deliver the promises they never expected to have to deliver on. Let them fall on their arse. Election within a couple of years.

The shinners are in an awful tizzy now. They must be cursing running so many candidates!

joe swanson

Damned if they do , damned if they don’t.

Let the shinners step up and deliver the promises they never expected to have to deliver on. Let them fall on their arse. Election within a couple of years.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG are playing the 'hold on to the voters we have like dear life' or the 'drowning man' political strategy because everybody else can see with ease what their game is. Cling to the power swap and hope the other one drowns first.

The electorate voted for change. FG respect this. Time for those with a mandate to step up.

all about the mane wrote: »

‘Pissing down the legs of voters’. Don’t be getting so excited now. FG are playing the long game. Voters understand this.

FG are playing the 'hold on to the voters we have like dear life' or the 'drowning man' political strategy because everybody else can see with ease what their game is. Cling to the power swap and hope the other one drowns first.

Yurt! wrote: »

Was getting a kicking in the election part of the grand strategy as well?

Again, overestimating the competency of FG, and underestimating the intelligence of your average voter.

They're ultimately the ones that will trigger an election with all their red lines. I don't envy FG canvassers going to the doors asking for first preferences as they're fundamentally on the run.

Shooting yourself in the d*ck isn't good long term strategic thinking.

‘Shooting yourself in the...’. There you go again. It seems you are far more upset about FG’s result than their voters are. The election result for FG didn’t come as any great surprise to their voters. They know it’s time to regroup. It’s a perfectly acceptable strategy.

Loafing Oaf

Yurt! wrote: »

Bruised FG members and rank and file might be happy to tog-off. P*ssing down the legs of voters is another matter.

Imagine the British Labour party or Tories trying to fight an election, asking for votes on the doorstep to be put into opposition. "We're seeking your mandate not to enter negotiations for government."

It would be hugely entertaining to witness some of the less intellectually agile FG ministers like Heather Humphreys trying to defend that position in the face of rigorous questioning from Ivan Yates or Sean O'Rourke. Could well also be the death knell for FG...

all about the mane wrote: »

‘Pissing down the legs of voters’. Don’t be getting so excited now. FG are playing the long game. Voters understand this.

Was getting a kicking in the election part of the grand strategy as well?

Again, overestimating the competency of FG, and underestimating the intelligence of your average voter.

They're ultimately the ones that will trigger an election with all their red lines. I don't envy FG canvassers going to the doors asking for first preferences as they're fundamentally on the run.

Shooting yourself in the d*ck isn't good long term strategic thinking.

Yurt! wrote: »

Bruised FG members and rank and file might be happy to tog-off. P*ssing down the legs of voters is another matter.

Imagine the British Labour party or Tories trying to fight an election, asking for votes on the doorstep to be put into opposition. "We're seeking your mandate not to enter negotiations for government."

Very entertaining doublethink underway in the FG brains trust. Masterminds the lot of them.

‘Pissing down the legs of voters’. Don’t be getting so excited now. FG are playing the long game. Voters understand this.

Bruised FG members and rank and file might be happy to tog-off. P*ssing down the legs of voters is another matter.

Imagine the British Labour party or Tories trying to fight an election, asking for votes on the doorstep to be put into opposition. "We're seeking your mandate not to enter negotiations for government."

Very entertaining doublethink underway in the FG brains trust. Masterminds the lot of them.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The handsome 87 seats

There’s a lot of how you’d prefer it to be above, not how it is!!

Anyway, according to Gavan Reilly, talks between FFG and the Greens start Monday

The people living in the real world of how this country works didn't need Gavan to tell us about that inevitability.

LuckyLloyd

road_high wrote: »

These people aren’t interested in “change” they are interested only in electoral point scoring. They know sf are solid useless so need a handy cover to hide behind so they won’t get found out.
If Mary lou was any sort of competent negotiator she’d be well in her way to weaving together a majority government out of the handsome 87 seats outside of ff FG. Instead all you get is her on her soap box screaming insults at people. Can only imagine how her fish wife ways will go down when we need to very soon sit down with Brussels and the U.K. to sort trade deals etc

The handsome 87 seats

There’s a lot of how you’d prefer it to be above, not how it is!!

Anyway, according to Gavan Reilly, talks between FFG and the Greens start Monday

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yeah but FG is a pragmatic centrist party, their target voters are not working to thirty-year plans. Likely most of them would say "If FG is ruling out going into government in the next Dail, then I'm ruling out voting for them."

There is nothing to say they can’t work to a long term plan. Likely most of them wouldn’t. FG voters are happy to go into opposition this time. It’s not a finite game.

Loafing Oaf

all about the mane wrote: »

For the same reasons SF voters have done the same all these years

Yeah but FG is a pragmatic centrist party, their target voters are not working to thirty-year plans. Likely most of them would say "If FG is ruling out going into government in the next Dail, then I'm ruling out voting for them."

road_high wrote: »

And yet here you are blasting them for not going into government again? Compared to the trailer trash sf attract in droves- yes, they are intellectual titans

Blasting the bull**** they have tried to feed the public - or those gullible enough to think that FG and FF were not going to take power here again. After the sham that was C&S, we now have them having to move closer to the inevitable merge.

FF/FG problem here now is, can they continue to delude enough to maintain their vote next time out. They are lining up the Greens to take the fall again as part of the deception. I'm sure there will be some fulminating and ranting that their goal is 'the good of the country'.

road_high wrote: »

And yet here you are blasting them for not going into government again? Compared to the trailer trash sf attract in droves- yes, they are intellectual titans

Another on-brand true blue. Classy, understated and acutely aware of your incredibly stable geniusness.

Your crowd are closer to Trump in your behaviour than you'd like to admit.

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yeah but FG are ultimately dependent on the voters for their continued existence as a Dail party. And if there is another election in a few months and FG's position going into that election is "We will not be going into government after this election; we want to rebuild in opposition", why should anyone even consider voting for them?

For the same reasons SF voters have done the same all these years

Sorry, try again, not a SF member nor am I a traditional SF voter.

Watching FG get their cummepence has been a joy to watch. You can expect further commupencing in the near to medium term such is the hole they put themselves in by overselling their achievements and being totally blind to their failures.

Edit: I never made any comment positive or negative on the prospect of high-rise with a Viennese model. Not sure what path you're wandering down with that one.

Do you deny it?!? Deny it do you?!?

Loafing Oaf

jmayo wrote: »

FG members, rather than all their voters, would definitely not want to go into government with the old adversary FF.
Likewise with FF members.

Yeah but FG are ultimately dependent on the voters for their continued existence as a Dail party. And if there is another election in a few months and FG's position going into that election is "We will not be going into government after this election; we want to rebuild in opposition", why should anyone even consider voting for them?

jmayo

Yurt! wrote: »

Always remember, evreyone is stupid bar the clever boys and girls in Fine Gael. Apart from being intellectual titans, they can also see into the future.

How ungrateful the public are to deny them the chance to stuff up cornerstone policy issues even further.

Yurt are you still refusing to acknowledge your Austrian housing plan will involve high rise apartment blocks in cities.
Typical shinner shouting from the fence, but not fronting up about what exactly you stand for.

BTW I am not, nor never have been member of FG or any other party.
But unlike a hell of a lot of the sinn fein supporters around here who claim they have never voted for sinn fein, I will admit I have usually voted for FG and labour.

road_high

Yurt! wrote: »

Always remember, evreyone is stupid bar the clever boys and girls in Fine Gael. Apart from being intellectual titans, they can also see into the future.

How ungrateful the public are to deny them the chance to stuff up cornerstone policy issues even further.

And yet here you are blasting them for not going into government again? Compared to the trailer trash sf attract in droves- yes, they are intellectual titans

road_high

IAmTheReign wrote: »

Sinn Fein have said exactly that since the foundation of their party. This is the first election where Sinn Fein have actually considered entering government.

FG went from the largest to the third largest party, it's clear the general public don't want them in government. And yet the same people who voted them out are now whinging that they won't enter government again.

Everyone keeps saying people voted for change so it's time the other parties got on with trying to change things.

These people aren’t interested in “change” they are interested only in electoral point scoring. They know sf are solid useless so need a handy cover to hide behind so they won’t get found out.
If Mary lou was any sort of competent negotiator she’d be well in her way to weaving together a majority government out of the handsome 87 seats outside of ff FG. Instead all you get is her on her soap box screaming insults at people. Can only imagine how her fish wife ways will go down when we need to very soon sit down with Brussels and the U.K. to sort trade deals etc

Always remember, evreyone is stupid bar the clever boys and girls in Fine Gael. Apart from being intellectual titans, they can also see into the future.

How ungrateful the public are to deny them the chance to stuff up cornerstone policy issues even further.

jmayo

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

But what if other parties don't step up? Would FG voters want them to turn down a government deal with FF, a move that would almost certainly trigger a general election, an election that would very likely produce an SF-led left government?

FG members, rather than all their voters, would definitely not want to go into government with the old adversary FF.
Likewise with FF members.

Also both of them realise that if they do get together then the defacto opposition is the shinners, who have already gained significantly because they promise the earth, moon and stars to the masses.

And a lot of people voted this time for sinn fein out of desperation (needing property and better healthcare) and stupidity.
Yes you are stupid if you believe that sinn fein can magically solve all the problems while cutting your taxes and offering you even more freebies.
You might as well believe in unicorns.

You can't do a lot about the stupidity, but you can about a lot of people's desperation, but it takes time.
No matter who is in, our housing problems require major overhaul of city and country planning as well as significant public funding of council/corpo housing.
The other very difficult thing for anyone to get across is that a lot of Irish people need to start realising that they will have to live in apartments and/or rent forever.
It will be as big a change in our lifestyles as the changes due to environmental issues.

road_high wrote: »

Who fears a sf led government bar sf? I’ve every confidence they’ll fall flat on their holes very quickly once in government. There’s nothing to suggest they’ll be any sort of success and everything to suggest they’ll be dreadful. The time has come to put sf under the microscope of govt.
Terrorists, anti vaxxers, welfare freeloaders and flat earth anti semites all mixed together are bound to be an amazing recipe for success. The SF vote base us extremely soft and clearly not the types that’ll be waiting around “giving them a chance”- they’ll want very quick results indeed

Ah please don't tell us one of them is a flat earther.

That would complete the straight flush.

I must say, watching Fine Gael wriggle going for the escape hatch as they enthusiastically don the robes of the party of protest is most humourous to watch.

Making themselves very very cosy on the ditch.

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