IAmTheReign wrote: » Sinn Fein have said exactly that since the foundation of their party. This is the first election where Sinn Fein have actually considered entering government. FG went from the largest to the third largest party, it's clear the general public don't want them in government. And yet the same people who voted them out are now whinging that they won't enter government again. Everyone keeps saying people voted for change so it's time the other parties got on with trying to change things.
Yurt! wrote: » Always remember, evreyone is stupid bar the clever boys and girls in Fine Gael. Apart from being intellectual titans, they can also see into the future. How ungrateful the public are to deny them the chance to stuff up cornerstone policy issues even further.
jmayo wrote: » FG members, rather than all their voters, would definitely not want to go into government with the old adversary FF. Likewise with FF members.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Yeah but FG are ultimately dependent on the voters for their continued existence as a Dail party. And if there is another election in a few months and FG's position going into that election is "We will not be going into government after this election; we want to rebuild in opposition", why should anyone even consider voting for them?
road_high wrote: » And yet here you are blasting them for not going into government again? Compared to the trailer trash sf attract in droves- yes, they are intellectual titans
all about the mane wrote: » For the same reasons SF voters have done the same all these years
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Yeah but FG is a pragmatic centrist party, their target voters are not working to thirty-year plans. Likely most of them would say "If FG is ruling out going into government in the next Dail, then I'm ruling out voting for them."
road_high wrote: » These people aren’t interested in “change” they are interested only in electoral point scoring. They know sf are solid useless so need a handy cover to hide behind so they won’t get found out. If Mary lou was any sort of competent negotiator she’d be well in her way to weaving together a majority government out of the handsome 87 seats outside of ff FG. Instead all you get is her on her soap box screaming insults at people. Can only imagine how her fish wife ways will go down when we need to very soon sit down with Brussels and the U.K. to sort trade deals etc
LuckyLloyd wrote: » The handsome 87 seats There’s a lot of how you’d prefer it to be above, not how it is!! Anyway, according to Gavan Reilly, talks between FFG and the Greens start Monday
Yurt! wrote: » Bruised FG members and rank and file might be happy to tog-off. P*ssing down the legs of voters is another matter. Imagine the British Labour party or Tories trying to fight an election, asking for votes on the doorstep to be put into opposition. "We're seeking your mandate not to enter negotiations for government." Very entertaining doublethink underway in the FG brains trust. Masterminds the lot of them.
all about the mane wrote: » ‘Pissing down the legs of voters’. Don’t be getting so excited now. FG are playing the long game. Voters understand this.
Yurt! wrote: » Bruised FG members and rank and file might be happy to tog-off. P*ssing down the legs of voters is another matter. Imagine the British Labour party or Tories trying to fight an election, asking for votes on the doorstep to be put into opposition. "We're seeking your mandate not to enter negotiations for government."
Yurt! wrote: » Was getting a kicking in the election part of the grand strategy as well? Again, overestimating the competency of FG, and underestimating the intelligence of your average voter. They're ultimately the ones that will trigger an election with all their red lines. I don't envy FG canvassers going to the doors asking for first preferences as they're fundamentally on the run. Shooting yourself in the d*ck isn't good long term strategic thinking.
FrancieBrady wrote: » FG are playing the 'hold on to the voters we have like dear life' or the 'drowning man' political strategy because everybody else can see with ease what their game is. Cling to the power swap and hope the other one drowns first.
joe swanson wrote: » Damned if they do , damned if they don’t. Let the shinners step up and deliver the promises they never expected to have to deliver on. Let them fall on their arse. Election within a couple of years.
all about the mane wrote: » ‘Shooting yourself in the...’. There you go again. It seems you are far more upset about FG’s result than their voters are. The election result for FG didn’t come as any great surprise to their voters. They know it’s time to regroup. It’s a perfectly acceptable strategy.
all about the mane wrote: » The electorate voted for change. FG respect this. Time for those with a mandate to step up.
Yurt! wrote: » On the contrary, I'm loving the position FG find themselves in. It will take all the clever boys and girls you can muster to get out of it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What's the next line of the directive: 'but FG as founders of the state will not be found wanting if a government cannot be found'. In other words - we are too afraid to put our noses up and fulfill the mandate our own voters gave us. It's fooling nobody, right on cue they are making the noises expected of them by people living in the real world.
all about the mane wrote: » As Mary Loo said, people voted for change. FG are not a change. So others need to step up.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Have you missed the news. Leo has been lying again. He is 'stepping up'. Why? Because the last thing Leo wants is another election and to face the wrath of his own voters. The 'hole' that he is in, BTW.
GSF wrote: » Why can’t SF convince 45 other TDs to support them though? Surly that’s not Leo’s job?
