RIGOLO wrote: » Your points are just opinion that have no bearing in the reality of what has actually happened under the Trump administration as born out by the facts and the numbers. Women have made up over 70% of new jobs in America. Women have recovered 70% of the decline in their participation rate from 2000 to 2015. If you ask me thats doing ALOT for Women Launching Space Force, return to the Moon, Made In America program , The 2017 Trump Executive order for improved Apprenticeship program, clampdown on China IP theft, rejection of non-US 5G technology, driving US companies to have US based/friendly supply chains ... just some of the many measures made to advance US technology Debt is spiraling cos Obama spent 9Trillion getting 2% GDP, Trump has spent 1trillion getting over 3%. As soon as the non-discretionary spending controls they want kick in in the second term, things will balance a bit better. And now that the Fed is playing ball also. Improved Tax credits for working people with children, increasing their allowance, and more importantly making it a refundable tax credit. Tensions with China , have resulted in a more balanced US-China Trade Deficit it fell by over 50billion in 2019 and thats even with Boeings woes. Tensions with Canada, not a problem, the USMCA Trade deal announced and signed He undid crippling regulations - thats why buisness is booming . New Regulations were growing by some measures at 8% a year. Trumps EO that for every one new regulation, 3 had to be removed was instrumental in this. Support for minority communities, well jobs are exploding in that demographic , you can goggle The Young Black Leadership Summit at White House, they seem happy. The IEA announced that CO2 emmissions for the US were down in 2019 . Thats the international energy Agency The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis – a fall of 140 Mt, or 2.9%, to 4.8 Gt. US emissions are now down almost 1 Gt from their peak in the year 2000, the largest absolute decline by any country over that period. north Korea - They had 4 nuclear tests during OBAMAs reign and we had no summits, going from 5 to 25 kiloton. Under Trump they had one , but have had 3-4 summits. Thats progress. The list goes on and on .. What Trump has done is a long term legacy that the Democrats and the left can never take away from him and his administration. The histroy has already been written on it, its too late. Its over Trump won round 1, lets see if the Dems can take Round 2 with Bernie Sanders .
BorneTobyWilde wrote: » He'll win again easily, no one is stepping up that is capable of beating Trump. Harrison Ford would have beating him, but he's always on the sidelines of so many UN and political events but never throws his hat in the ring.
Penn wrote: » ... Harrison Ford... ??? Is this really where we are now? Has Trump sunk the bar so low that even with the likes of Sanders and Warren running, we're at "Oh if only Harrison Ford put himself forward for it the Dems might be in with a shot..." Don't get me wrong, I agree that it's looking like none of them might beat Trump. But where the hell are you pulling Harrison Ford from? If Trump has taught us anything (and it's a complete accident on his part if he has), it's that we need politicians in the highest political positions, not celebrities. At least even Ronald Reagan was a governor for a few years.
everlast75 wrote: » The key to beating Trump is the dems not eviscerating each other over who is and who isn't a socialist.
Call Me Jimmy wrote: » Why would they not do that? The party is splitting in two like Labour, so it makes sense that candidates split on similar lines. You could argue the dems have been doing themselves no favors papering over each other's cracks calling for unity. In the general election all the differences in values will be under the microscope and there will be no hiding. Bloomberg v Bernie is the question and I think there's going to be a lot of unofficial, announced and unannounced defection in 2020.
everlast75 wrote: » Trump supporters shouldn't be rubbing their hands together with glee. The Republican Party has been split in two by Trump. The amount of people that have left has been astonishing. That is why Trump, when polled amongst those that are still Republicans, has approval ratings so high. The time is ripe for each of the two parties to be split in two being honest.
Call Me Jimmy wrote: » Aye agree they have both split but I think Trump supporters should be rubbing their hands together because they have already split down establishment anti-establishment lines and the party has held together successfully. Yes there are losses but not game-ending ones. The democrats are also splitting down similar establishment lines but it's more convoluted by the socialist vs capitalist dimension. I think when Trump and Bernie are gone (maybe even before then), a subset of their supporters will find more in common with each other than with those in their own party. However no republicans are socialist, while many democrats are capitalists (but want public healthcare). So there's a dovetail there in my opinion. But importantly, and honestly, how do you see Bernie supporters supporting Bloomberg, or Bloomberg supporters (and Clinton supporters) throwing their weight behind Bernie when they've already tried to openly shaft him on multiple occasions? What way does that play out do you think?
Call Me Jimmy wrote: » Aye agree they have both split but I think Trump supporters should be rubbing their hands together because they have already split down establishment anti-establishment lines and the party has held together successfully. Yes there are losses but not game-ending ones. The democrats are also splitting down similar establishment lines but it's more convoluted by the socialist vs capitalist dimension. I think when Trump and Bernie are gone (maybe even before then), a subset of their supporters will find more in common with each other than with those in their own party. However no republicans are socialist, while many democrats are capitalists (but want public healthcare). So there's a dovetail there in my opinion.But importantly, and honestly, how do you see Bernie supporters supporting Bloomberg, or Bloomberg supporters (and Clinton supporters) throwing their weight behind Bernie when they've already tried to openly shaft him on multiple occasions? What way does that play out do you think?
Leroy42 wrote: » Most of the polls show that any of the current DNC probables will beat Trump. Some by many points. And without HC to scare people Trump has lost one of his biggest assets. Drain the Swamp won't hold the same sway as he had had 4 years. Build the wall, again, he will continue to use it but people have seen it for what it is. It's not the simple answer he made it out to be, he is taking money from the military to try to get anything done. How will that go down in military areas away from the border? He can no longer claim to be able to clear the debt, he has made a mess of that. He cannot claim to clean up DC, it is worse than ever (and you can argue that it is because of the DNC but it was something he said he could fix and clearly cannot). He continues to hold a solid base, and there doesn't seem to be any DNC candidate that will easily beat him. But most of his advantages from 2016 are gone and he has done little to create new ones. It is very possible he could win again, the incumbent carries an advantage, but it is far from a given and it should be very worrying to Trump and his supporters that despite him being basically wall to wall coverage, he has not been able to increase his standing. Once the DNC do select a candidate, the coverage will ramp up and people that are not paying much attention now will start to consider their options
kilns wrote: » Bernie is as close to Hillary as he can get and he desperate for him to win the nomination so he can paint him as the boogeyman, its is only hope
everlast75 wrote: » I don't think Bloomberg will win the nomination. I think everyone, apart from Sanders, will support whoever does win the nomination. I think Bloomberg has already pledged to support whoever wins, so I don't see a huge problem, save with Sanders and Bernie. I think Bloomberg is causing far more problems for Trump with his adds, so I see him serving a purpose. Full disclosure - I hope Warren gets it.
Gbear wrote: » Sanders has been one of the most outspoken about pledging his support for whoever wins the nomination. He has been running like a unity candidate, constantly trying to pull the corporate side of the Democratic party along, but they're not having any of it. I ultimately don't support a lot of what Sanders is in favour of, but I would vote for him without any hesitation in a primary (if I had ranked choice, I'd give Warren 2nd), because you get the impression that he's actually genuine, that he's far more pragmatic than he gets credit for, and that he's running in good faith in a way you cannot be sure of almost any other candidate. Biden doesn't even look like he wants to be President, I can't rightly tell you what Klobuchar actually believes in, Buttigieg is pretending to be offering something new while running stagnant old fashioned politics of the corporate right wing of the Democratic party, and Bloomberg is literally a Republican.
listermint wrote: » Tbh I can see Dems rowing in behind whomever he candidate is. Trump has take it too far. There's huge distaste for him in any normal household over there. Trump ain't winning again. You can hold me to that.
Gbear wrote: » Bloomberg is literally a Republican.
briany wrote: » It don't think it matters much if Trump gets voted out. He'll still claim to be the real president of the USA, and his followers will hold him as such. Trump is very much unlike anything we've seen. Any former POTUS that I know of in the modern era has more or less retired to a (relatively) quiet life after their term, giving after dinner speeches for big money and doing humanitarian photo ops. Trump, on the other hand, you could well imagine leading the protest march through Washington D.C. Trump's rise is really just a manifestation of the debasement in political thought that has gone on in the USA (or rather, the USA in particular). He's not the head of the snake, he's the fruiting body of the fungal system.
Nody wrote: » Would take to much time away from golfing, he'd ask others to walk for him. I'd expect him to keep holding rallies however to make sure he gets public worship he craves as well as make sure he gets in the headlines (while charging top dollars and hold them at Trump resorts etc.). I'd expect claims of being pushed out, hints of shoot my enemies etc. and of course the day he dies that the base will explode into conspiracy theories over who killed him no matter the circumstances. I'm sure his children will try and fail badly at making a run for congress or senate both after he gets out as president as well once he dies.
Call Me Jimmy wrote: » But importantly, and honestly, how do you see Bernie supporters supporting Bloomberg, or Bloomberg supporters (and Clinton supporters) throwing their weight behind Bernie when they've already tried to openly shaft him on multiple occasions? What way does that play out do you think?
