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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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aloyisious

If the Coronavirus outbreak in China proves to be a long stay medical emergency for China having a long term effect on its exports [no shipping from China due to shipping companies declining to dock and collect shipping there] it's probably going to have an effect on US trade with China if the US is not able to access Chinese imported materiel necessary for US producers to keep their home factories producing goods for the US consumer. It seems the outbreak wont be contained by nature and medical science for well past a year in the future.

A glance at the Tour ship companies present situation is an example [ships and passengers quarantined and not usable by the tourists who booked worldwide trips on them] of how one market aspect of maritime trade can be harmed. The Holland America line has ships tied up off Japan.

How will the US Commerce Dept inability to keep the trade deals Don has made so much of on track harm US companies dependent on imported Chinese materiel in business and also the US economy which Don says is doing OK? Don has made much of one part, the agriculture imports, from China as part of his deals being good for the US consumer, while he's been quietly offsetting the effect its having on US farmers by subsiding them from the US treasury [taxes].

I read an article in yesterdays Irish Times business supplement that one US clothing company [Under Armour] a US family business existing for over 20 years had a loss in profits due to it's apparent dependence on goods supplied from China and not made in the US.

How long will it be before the US national economy goes into downturn due to China being unable to complete US orders and US home companies being unable to fill them as they have sold off the necessary tooling machinery and Dons 2nd turn election chances start taking a hit as a result?

sid waddell

looksee wrote: »

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/barr-blasts-trumps-tweets-stone-case-impossible-job/story?id=68963276&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

Bill Barr says Trumps tweeting is making it impossible for him to do his job - on't Trump be thrilled about that!

Utter choreographed bull**** to distract from Trump's abuse of power in corrupting the Justice Department, which Barr was brought in to carry out.

Trump and Barr are working in absolute lockstep. Barr is corrupt filth, a total crook.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1228147215954325504?s=19

Now Trump knows there is *nothing* the Reps will do to stand up to him, he's gives less of a sh1t and will openly admit to stuff he was coy about before. The QPQ with New York, congratulating Barr on stepping in to help the guy who lied for him, and now admitting sending Rudy to Ukraine.

Wait for it - he'll expressly admit to getting the justice department to intervene in Stone and other cases soon.

A complete F U to everyone, daring anyone to stand up to him.

PropJoe10

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1228147215954325504?s=19

Now Trump knows there is *nothing* the Reps will do to stand up to him, he's gives less of a sh1t and will openly admit to stuff he was coy about before. The QPQ with New York, congratulating Barr on stepping in to help the guy who lied for him, and now admitting sending Rudy to Ukraine.

Wait for it - he'll expressly admit to getting the justice department to intervene in Stone and other cases soon.

A complete F U to everyone, daring anyone to stand up to him.

The impeachment was a shameful episode in American history, and not for the reasons pushed by Trump or Outlaw Pete either. Trump is making an absolute mockery not only of his office, but of the rule of law.

duploelabs

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1228147215954325504?s=19

Now Trump knows there is *nothing* the Reps will do to stand up to him, he's gives less of a sh1t and will openly admit to stuff he was coy about before. The QPQ with New York, congratulating Barr on stepping in to help the guy who lied for him, and now admitting sending Rudy to Ukraine.

Wait for it - he'll expressly admit to getting the justice department to intervene in Stone and other cases soon.

A complete F U to everyone, daring anyone to stand up to him.

It's par for the course with Trump. He does something illegal, gets challenged, leverages a sycophant to let him off (Barr with the Mueller report, the senate with the impeachment) and the next day pushes harder at the thing he's initially challenged for.

Corkblowin

I can’t even imagine what this guy would have been like in private business where he wasn’t under any scrutiny. How could you trust him to hold up his end of a deal? No wonder he went bust a few times.

everlast75

It would be funny if it wasn't so ****ing pathetic

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1228141577056354305?s=19

Dillonb3

everlast75 wrote: »

It would be funny if it wasn't so ****ing pathetic

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1228141577056354305?s=19

Hannity turned up at Biden's rally this week asking the crowd about Biden getting the prosecutor sacked in Ukraine. He really knows how to flog dead horses to distract from Trump

everlast75

Dillonb3 wrote: »

Hannity turned up at Biden's rally this week asking the crowd about Biden getting the prosecutor sacked in Ukraine. He really knows how to flog dead horses to distract from Trump

For a guy in contact with one indicted and at least one convicted criminal in this whole mess, he sure has a shedload to say

looksee

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/andrew-mccabe-justice-department-investigation/index.html

Washington (CNN)The Department of Justice is dropping its criminal investigation involving former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe without bringing charges, it announced on Friday.

McCabe's attorneys received a letter from the US Attorney's Office in DC on Friday announcing the declination.
"We write to inform you that, after careful consideration, the Government has decided not to pursue criminal charges against your client, Andrew G. McCabe, arising from the referral" made by the Inspector General's office to investigate his behavior, the DC US Attorney's Office wrote. McCabe's attorneys released the letter on Friday.

Does this have anything to do with the Barr / Trump debacle? Or what has caused this change of mind? Was it entirely a Trump spite situation?

everlast75

looksee wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/andrew-mccabe-justice-department-investigation/index.html

Does this have anything to do with the Barr / Trump debacle? Or what has caused this change of mind? Was it entirely a Trump spite situation?

Great news.

It is strongly suggested that the grand jury didn't return an indictment and so the delay was Barr trying to find evidence or a new jury. Turns out the case was bogus and given Trump's comments re McCabe and his firing before his pension kicked in, entirely to your point, driven by spite.

To be honest, it's a relief given how Trump is wielding the Justice department like a weapon.

everlast75

So while it appears all is fair in Justice with McCabe's charges being dropped, Trump's mission to erase the Mueller probe from history continues.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1228386730132279302?s=19

serfboard

everlast75 wrote: »

Trump's mission to erase the Mueller probe from history continues.

While I didn't like Jeff Sessions at all, Barr is on a whole other level - a dangerous, vindictive, nasty POS.

Actually, thinking about it, he probably reminds Trump of Roy Cohn.

peddlelies

Avenatti found guilty of extorting Nike and more fraud charges coming on top of it, guy will spend the foreseeable future in jail.

Timberrrrrrrr

peddlelies wrote: »

Avenatti found guilty of extorting Nike and more charges fraud charges coming on top of it, guy will spend the foreseeable future in jail.

Yup, estimated 42 years ahead of him, guilty men go to jail.

duploelabs

peddlelies wrote: »

Avenatti found guilty of extorting Nike and more fraud charges coming on top of it, guy will spend the foreseeable future in jail.

And I'm sure if he was the other side of the line, Trump would tweet that he's been 'treated very unkindly for a non-violent crime'

PropJoe10

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yup, estimated 42 years ahead of him, guilty men go to jail.

Not all of them, sadly.

aloyisious

everlast75 wrote: »

So while it appears all is fair in Justice with McCabe's charges being dropped, Trump's mission to erase the Mueller probe from history continues.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1228386730132279302?s=19

This in the weeks before he's to testify before the House judiciary committee chaired by Jerry Nadler. If he attends, it should be an interesting session.

aloyisious

Roger Stone's lawyer have asked the judge hearing the Flynn case FOR A NEW TRIAL alleging jury bias. This is probably based on the jury leader making public statements about the jury verdict in response to Don's public comment on the jury and its verdict. The president telling a jury he feels "you got your verdict wrong when you convicted a friend of mine", then the AG decides to have the DOJ review the case against Flynn.

Don can't tell the judge how to run the trial, just make adverse comments on her at a personal level and at her handling of it, and the jury, even though there is clear separation in law between the three parts of Govt. Barr trying to put a veneer of lawfulness over Don's actions after his public statement that Don tweeted comments are making his job as AG and head of the "impartial" DOJ difficult. One barrier gone, the next will be Don offering guidance to the USSC on how to handle the cases brought against him in line with his stated belief he has a right to make comments on trials.

aloyisious

I'm asking myself if Bill Barr was making a broad reference to what he presumably told Don privately in advance of the DOJ decision to drop the McCabe investigation when he spoke of his frustration about how Don's tweets were interfering with the way he was handling the DOJ, and giving Don a quid pro quo: another look at the Flynn case if Don stopped making personal comments on trials, judges and DOJ affairs. I can't see AG Barr announcing his McCabe decision without giving a heads up to Don as Don is liable to vent anger via twitter.. Don then makes a comment that he can interfere in trials, that he hasn't done it so far. It remains to see who AG Barr will nominate as the non-DOJ lawyer to look over the Flynn case.

Edit: The US attorney for the Eastern district of Missouri, Jeff Jensen, is the lawyer tipped by AG Barr for the prosecutor's job reviewing the Flynn case & its DOJ investigators interviewing of Flynn in respect of tactics used for obtaining his statement/s. According to a DOJ source, who spoke on the basis of non-identification, Jensen is assisting the department and prosecution team "to get a complete and thorough understanding of the facts and the record in a complicated case,". The Justice Department official stressed that Jensen's role was not to oversee career prosecutors' work on the Flynn case, but to work alongside them.... IMO, legal speak for finding a way out for Flynn and the DOJ of his guilty plea.

aloyisious

Looking forward at the US Senate elections list later this year, former Senator & AG Jeff Sessions is on the GOP list of candidates for the Alabama seat. Former [twice removed from office] Alabama chief justice Roy Moore is on it too along with 5 other GOP candidates. Doug Jones is the unopposed Democratic party candidate from within his party.

Richard Shelby is the listed GOP Senator, office term ending 2022, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senators

Quin_Dub

aloyisious wrote: »

Looking forward at the US Senate elections list later this year, former Senator & AG Jeff Sessions is on the GOP list of candidates for the Alabama seat. Former [twice removed from office] Alabama chief justice Roy Moore is on it too along with 5 other GOP candidates. Doug Jones is the unopposed Democratic party candidate from within his party.

Richard Shelby is the listed GOP Senator, office term ending 2022, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senators

You've got to assume that Sessions will get the GOP nomination and win the seat back from Doug Jones.

Anything different would be a massive upset to be honest..

aloyisious

Quin_Dub wrote: »

You've got to assume that Sessions will get the GOP nomination and win the seat back from Doug Jones.

Anything different would be a massive upset to be honest..

How would that work out with Shelby still with two years to run [according to Wiki]? Where would he sit with regard to seniority/appointment power within the Senate GOP membership? Has Roy any chance of upsetting the run if Don continues to support him or will Mitch step in and insist on Don keeping out of the matter?

everlast75

This clip is demonstrative of the sheer hypocrisy of Fox, how they lost their collective sh1t with the most mundane of issues with Obama.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1228469218741350401?s=19

By way of contrast, now they are neck deep defending the most corrupt and inept president in the history through his multiple and legitimate scandals.

Cody montana

everlast75 wrote: »

This clip is demonstrative of the sheer hypocrisy of Fox, how they lost their collective sh1t with the most mundane of issues with Obama.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1228469218741350401?s=19

By way of contrast, now they are neck deep defending the most corrupt and inept president in the history through his multiple and legitimate scandals.

Have you ever watched Fox News?
I have.
I tried to be neutral.
It’s total nonsense.
It’s hilarious how bad they lie.

aloyisious

I don't know if this "story" is a conscious attempt to wind up Don Trump by the Bloomberg campaign. MSN is running a report from the Daily Mail to the effect that Mike Bloomberg is considering picking Hillary Clinton as his running mate in the 2020 election. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8007521/Mike-Bloomberg-wants-Hillary-Clinton-running-mate-say-sources.html
The owner of the Daily Mail is Jonathan Harmsworth (4th Viscount Rothermere) and not a US citizen involved in US politics. A blogger, Matt Drudge of the Drudge Report, is also reporting the "story".

I don't think HRC would take up the offer/request [were it to be made] from Mike for the V/P position unless she was given a guarantee that he would step aside from the presidency after a specified time and she would take up the presidency then. I reckon Don would get excited at the thought of HRC being a democratic V/P nominee.

I see that, like Don, Mike switches from party to party so I'm not sure if he's genuinely a democrat. I'm not sure the DNC would like the idea either as it would be bound to push any wavering GOP voters straight to Don.

Cody montana

“More than 1,100 former federal prosecutors and DOJ officials called on Attorney General Bill Barr today to step down after he intervened last week to lower the DOJ’s sentencing recommendation for President Trump’s longtime friend Roger Stone.“

Is America hurtling towards a dictatorship?

duploelabs

Cody montana wrote: »

“More than 1,100 former federal prosecutors and DOJ officials called on Attorney General Bill Barr today to step down after he intervened last week to lower the DOJ’s sentencing recommendation for President Trump’s longtime friend Roger Stone.“

Is America hurtling towards a dictatorship?

Banana Republic at least, lots of DOJ resignations from their prosecutor ranks in protest, from both the Stone and Flynn cases

everlast75

Cody montana wrote: »

“More than 1,100 former federal prosecutors and DOJ officials called on Attorney General Bill Barr today to step down after he intervened last week to lower the DOJ’s sentencing recommendation for President Trump’s longtime friend Roger Stone.“

Is America hurtling towards a dictatorship?

Nice to see the pressure being ramped up.
It seems to me that Barr does care the public's perception of him.

aloyisious

Cody montana wrote: »

“More than 1,100 former federal prosecutors and DOJ officials called on Attorney General Bill Barr today to step down after he intervened last week to lower the DOJ’s sentencing recommendation for President Trump’s longtime friend Roger Stone.“

It'll probably take a judge to force the issue of Barr's helpful handiwork towards Dons friends. AFAIK the judge hearing the Stone case is under no obligation to heed the DOJ sentence "recommendations", especially when they've been altered by the DOJ after Don passed comment on the origin recommendation.

The setting of a precedent may be high in her mind and the minds of other judges not to be seen as bending the knee to Don. If she ignored the new DOJ advice and Don or Bill reacted adversely against her, the USSC bench would have to privately comment to Don and Bill on her behalf. It wouldn't be the Deep State V Don, it would be preventing Don and Bill from rigging the trial and its decisions.