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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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Quin_Dub

aloyisious wrote: »

Looking forward at the US Senate elections list later this year, former Senator & AG Jeff Sessions is on the GOP list of candidates for the Alabama seat. Former [twice removed from office] Alabama chief justice Roy Moore is on it too along with 5 other GOP candidates. Doug Jones is the unopposed Democratic party candidate from within his party.

Richard Shelby is the listed GOP Senator, office term ending 2022, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senators

You've got to assume that Sessions will get the GOP nomination and win the seat back from Doug Jones.

Anything different would be a massive upset to be honest..

aloyisious

Looking forward at the US Senate elections list later this year, former Senator & AG Jeff Sessions is on the GOP list of candidates for the Alabama seat. Former [twice removed from office] Alabama chief justice Roy Moore is on it too along with 5 other GOP candidates. Doug Jones is the unopposed Democratic party candidate from within his party.

Richard Shelby is the listed GOP Senator, office term ending 2022, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senators

aloyisious

I'm asking myself if Bill Barr was making a broad reference to what he presumably told Don privately in advance of the DOJ decision to drop the McCabe investigation when he spoke of his frustration about how Don's tweets were interfering with the way he was handling the DOJ, and giving Don a quid pro quo: another look at the Flynn case if Don stopped making personal comments on trials, judges and DOJ affairs. I can't see AG Barr announcing his McCabe decision without giving a heads up to Don as Don is liable to vent anger via twitter.. Don then makes a comment that he can interfere in trials, that he hasn't done it so far. It remains to see who AG Barr will nominate as the non-DOJ lawyer to look over the Flynn case.

Edit: The US attorney for the Eastern district of Missouri, Jeff Jensen, is the lawyer tipped by AG Barr for the prosecutor's job reviewing the Flynn case & its DOJ investigators interviewing of Flynn in respect of tactics used for obtaining his statement/s. According to a DOJ source, who spoke on the basis of non-identification, Jensen is assisting the department and prosecution team "to get a complete and thorough understanding of the facts and the record in a complicated case,". The Justice Department official stressed that Jensen's role was not to oversee career prosecutors' work on the Flynn case, but to work alongside them.... IMO, legal speak for finding a way out for Flynn and the DOJ of his guilty plea.

aloyisious

Roger Stone's lawyer have asked the judge hearing the Flynn case FOR A NEW TRIAL alleging jury bias. This is probably based on the jury leader making public statements about the jury verdict in response to Don's public comment on the jury and its verdict. The president telling a jury he feels "you got your verdict wrong when you convicted a friend of mine", then the AG decides to have the DOJ review the case against Flynn.

Don can't tell the judge how to run the trial, just make adverse comments on her at a personal level and at her handling of it, and the jury, even though there is clear separation in law between the three parts of Govt. Barr trying to put a veneer of lawfulness over Don's actions after his public statement that Don tweeted comments are making his job as AG and head of the "impartial" DOJ difficult. One barrier gone, the next will be Don offering guidance to the USSC on how to handle the cases brought against him in line with his stated belief he has a right to make comments on trials.

aloyisious

everlast75 wrote: »

So while it appears all is fair in Justice with McCabe's charges being dropped, Trump's mission to erase the Mueller probe from history continues.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1228386730132279302?s=19

This in the weeks before he's to testify before the House judiciary committee chaired by Jerry Nadler. If he attends, it should be an interesting session.

PropJoe10

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yup, estimated 42 years ahead of him, guilty men go to jail.

Not all of them, sadly.

duploelabs

peddlelies wrote: »

Avenatti found guilty of extorting Nike and more fraud charges coming on top of it, guy will spend the foreseeable future in jail.

And I'm sure if he was the other side of the line, Trump would tweet that he's been 'treated very unkindly for a non-violent crime'

Timberrrrrrrr

peddlelies wrote: »

Avenatti found guilty of extorting Nike and more charges fraud charges coming on top of it, guy will spend the foreseeable future in jail.

Yup, estimated 42 years ahead of him, guilty men go to jail.

peddlelies

Avenatti found guilty of extorting Nike and more fraud charges coming on top of it, guy will spend the foreseeable future in jail.

serfboard

everlast75 wrote: »

Trump's mission to erase the Mueller probe from history continues.

While I didn't like Jeff Sessions at all, Barr is on a whole other level - a dangerous, vindictive, nasty POS.

Actually, thinking about it, he probably reminds Trump of Roy Cohn.

everlast75

So while it appears all is fair in Justice with McCabe's charges being dropped, Trump's mission to erase the Mueller probe from history continues.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1228386730132279302?s=19

everlast75

looksee wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/andrew-mccabe-justice-department-investigation/index.html

Does this have anything to do with the Barr / Trump debacle? Or what has caused this change of mind? Was it entirely a Trump spite situation?

Great news.

It is strongly suggested that the grand jury didn't return an indictment and so the delay was Barr trying to find evidence or a new jury. Turns out the case was bogus and given Trump's comments re McCabe and his firing before his pension kicked in, entirely to your point, driven by spite.

To be honest, it's a relief given how Trump is wielding the Justice department like a weapon.

looksee

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/andrew-mccabe-justice-department-investigation/index.html

Washington (CNN)The Department of Justice is dropping its criminal investigation involving former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe without bringing charges, it announced on Friday.

McCabe's attorneys received a letter from the US Attorney's Office in DC on Friday announcing the declination.
"We write to inform you that, after careful consideration, the Government has decided not to pursue criminal charges against your client, Andrew G. McCabe, arising from the referral" made by the Inspector General's office to investigate his behavior, the DC US Attorney's Office wrote. McCabe's attorneys released the letter on Friday.

Does this have anything to do with the Barr / Trump debacle? Or what has caused this change of mind? Was it entirely a Trump spite situation?

everlast75

Dillonb3 wrote: »

Hannity turned up at Biden's rally this week asking the crowd about Biden getting the prosecutor sacked in Ukraine. He really knows how to flog dead horses to distract from Trump

For a guy in contact with one indicted and at least one convicted criminal in this whole mess, he sure has a shedload to say

Dillonb3

everlast75 wrote: »

It would be funny if it wasn't so ****ing pathetic

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1228141577056354305?s=19

Hannity turned up at Biden's rally this week asking the crowd about Biden getting the prosecutor sacked in Ukraine. He really knows how to flog dead horses to distract from Trump

everlast75

It would be funny if it wasn't so ****ing pathetic

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1228141577056354305?s=19

Corkblowin

I can’t even imagine what this guy would have been like in private business where he wasn’t under any scrutiny. How could you trust him to hold up his end of a deal? No wonder he went bust a few times.

duploelabs

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1228147215954325504?s=19

Now Trump knows there is *nothing* the Reps will do to stand up to him, he's gives less of a sh1t and will openly admit to stuff he was coy about before. The QPQ with New York, congratulating Barr on stepping in to help the guy who lied for him, and now admitting sending Rudy to Ukraine.

Wait for it - he'll expressly admit to getting the justice department to intervene in Stone and other cases soon.

A complete F U to everyone, daring anyone to stand up to him.

It's par for the course with Trump. He does something illegal, gets challenged, leverages a sycophant to let him off (Barr with the Mueller report, the senate with the impeachment) and the next day pushes harder at the thing he's initially challenged for.

PropJoe10

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1228147215954325504?s=19

Now Trump knows there is *nothing* the Reps will do to stand up to him, he's gives less of a sh1t and will openly admit to stuff he was coy about before. The QPQ with New York, congratulating Barr on stepping in to help the guy who lied for him, and now admitting sending Rudy to Ukraine.

Wait for it - he'll expressly admit to getting the justice department to intervene in Stone and other cases soon.

A complete F U to everyone, daring anyone to stand up to him.

The impeachment was a shameful episode in American history, and not for the reasons pushed by Trump or Outlaw Pete either. Trump is making an absolute mockery not only of his office, but of the rule of law.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1228147215954325504?s=19

Now Trump knows there is *nothing* the Reps will do to stand up to him, he's gives less of a sh1t and will openly admit to stuff he was coy about before. The QPQ with New York, congratulating Barr on stepping in to help the guy who lied for him, and now admitting sending Rudy to Ukraine.

Wait for it - he'll expressly admit to getting the justice department to intervene in Stone and other cases soon.

A complete F U to everyone, daring anyone to stand up to him.

sid waddell

looksee wrote: »

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/barr-blasts-trumps-tweets-stone-case-impossible-job/story?id=68963276&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

Bill Barr says Trumps tweeting is making it impossible for him to do his job - on't Trump be thrilled about that!

Utter choreographed bull**** to distract from Trump's abuse of power in corrupting the Justice Department, which Barr was brought in to carry out.

Trump and Barr are working in absolute lockstep. Barr is corrupt filth, a total crook.

aloyisious

If the Coronavirus outbreak in China proves to be a long stay medical emergency for China having a long term effect on its exports [no shipping from China due to shipping companies declining to dock and collect shipping there] it's probably going to have an effect on US trade with China if the US is not able to access Chinese imported materiel necessary for US producers to keep their home factories producing goods for the US consumer. It seems the outbreak wont be contained by nature and medical science for well past a year in the future.

A glance at the Tour ship companies present situation is an example [ships and passengers quarantined and not usable by the tourists who booked worldwide trips on them] of how one market aspect of maritime trade can be harmed. The Holland America line has ships tied up off Japan.

How will the US Commerce Dept inability to keep the trade deals Don has made so much of on track harm US companies dependent on imported Chinese materiel in business and also the US economy which Don says is doing OK? Don has made much of one part, the agriculture imports, from China as part of his deals being good for the US consumer, while he's been quietly offsetting the effect its having on US farmers by subsiding them from the US treasury [taxes].

I read an article in yesterdays Irish Times business supplement that one US clothing company [Under Armour] a US family business existing for over 20 years had a loss in profits due to it's apparent dependence on goods supplied from China and not made in the US.

How long will it be before the US national economy goes into downturn due to China being unable to complete US orders and US home companies being unable to fill them as they have sold off the necessary tooling machinery and Dons 2nd turn election chances start taking a hit as a result?

everlast75

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/169112620039811073?s=19

Happy 7th birthday to this tweet.

Forever impeached. Forever a hypocrite.

looksee

And as for Barr, the only reason he's miffed at trump is because Trump isn't keeping quiet, which makes it harder for him to do his bidding without scrutiny.

I don't think there is the smallest doubt about that. Trump might want to consider that, having refused to impeach him, the Republicans' way of removing him without getting egg on their faces might be a lot less desirable than impeachment.

aloyisious

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1228023660457480194?s=19

Another quid pro quo.

Lol - he's making it impossible for Republicans to defend him. He's flagrantly and openly abusing his power and they have to try defend it.

And as for Barr, the only reason he's miffed at trump is because Trump isn't keeping quiet, which makes it harder for him to do his bidding without scrutiny.

I'd say sentences 2 & 3 were not from Dons hand/mouth. though the bit about the lawsuits might be how he'd style an order to a staffer. I agree on the reason BB is miffed and it shows a degree of power that he can tell off Don through the media, something both will understand. National security [edit] if only.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1228023660457480194?s=19

Another quid pro quo.

Lol - he's making it impossible for Republicans to defend him. He's flagrantly and openly abusing his power and they have to try defend it.

And as for Barr, the only reason he's miffed at trump is because Trump isn't keeping quiet, which makes it harder for him to do his bidding without scrutiny.

aloyisious

Senator Grassleys response to Don tweeting a copy of a Fox News "story" about members of the Stone trial jury having a political bias when they made their verdict ""I'll leave it up to a judge to decide whether a juror is biased or not," Senator Chuck Grassley told Reuters. This after Don had attacked the judge hearing the case.

Lindsay's comment is to his usual level of double-speak, he hoped the court would take the jury allegations seriously if the report was accurate, calling it "not fair.". Lindsay, as it's chair, dismissed the idea of the Senate Judiciary committee investigating the President's comments. Bill Barr has agreed to testify before a House judiciary committee panel next month, according to it's chair, Jerry Nadler.

looksee

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/barr-blasts-trumps-tweets-stone-case-impossible-job/story?id=68963276&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

Bill Barr says Trumps tweeting is making it impossible for him to do his job - won't Trump be thrilled about that!

In an exclusive interview, Attorney General Bill Barr told ABC News on Thursday that President Donald Trump "has never asked me to do anything in a criminal case” but should stop tweeting about the Justice Department because his tweets “make it impossible for me to do my job.”

Barr’s comments are a rare break with a president who the attorney general has aligned himself with and fiercely defended. But it also puts Barr in line with many of Trump’s supporters on Capitol Hill who say they support the president but wish he’d cut back on his tweets.

PropJoe10

pixelburp wrote: »

Oh totally, as Stringbell said Twitter is entirely culpable here too, but it's either avarice or moral cowardice that prevents them from acting on a well earned ban. As you yourself say, ordinary Joes are banned for less. I do kinda feel for Twitter, a little anyway: could you imagine the storm that'd come down on their shoulders if they dropped the hammer? Conservatives already plead liberal bias in (social) media, Trump being banned would be their Pearl Harbour moment. Whether it was earned or not would be irrelevant. The service is a joke as it stands, banning a political figure would be a watershed moment.

Yep, they're in a pretty difficult position for sure, but he needs to be stopped from retweeting absolute crap from right-wing conspiracy websites. Using Twitter to spread that absolute nonsense to over 70 million people is incredibly dangerous and they should be taking a look at that.

BloodBath

Stallingrad wrote: »

Indeed, and where are Twitter on this? The endless bullying, mocking and name calling, never mind the stream of proven lies, do they have no charter? He has made the platform a toxic cess pit.

In fairness it was always a toxic cesspit full of virtue signalling douche bags and trolls. Trump fits right in.