quodec wrote: » Would it be beyond the bounds of possibility for the three main parties to negotiate a 'grand alliance' of FF/FG/SF? 100+ seats, a secure Dail if agreed portfolios reached and equal kudos/blame for subsequent action on housing, health, Brexit etc. Ok, sounds like a national government but must be worth considering.
crisco10 wrote: » But then who will we vote for in the next GE? that will just end up with everyone to blame, and leave no one to vote for.
First Up wrote: » Both FF and FG understand that as a small country, Ireland's prosperity is based on an open economy, making us attractive to foreign capital and working smart to tweak the international system to our advantage. Sinn Fein rejoice in the name "Ourselves Alone", treat foreign capital with suspicion and believe things are done by making speeches and waving magic wands. They cheered the Greeks on as they hurled towards the cliff. A partnership has to be based on shared values and goals. A coalition between SF and either of the others would be chaos.
Wanderer78 wrote: ...and everything is squeaky clean with this foreign capital?
Fann Linn wrote: » You're using Twitter as a reference. Mad Ted.
First Up wrote: » As clean as anywhere else and a lot cleaner than some places.
Wanderer78 wrote: come on now, we re obviously a form of tax haven for large corporations, but yes, this is a global problem,and we ll probably be eventually forced to face up to these issues
Idbatterim wrote: they tax income at a FIFTY percent marginal rate, how much do they really value our open, small economy, with a very mobile labour force?
First Up wrote: » Along with everyone else. Washing money around to take advantage of international tax systems is what corporations and their accountants do. They also invest and employ people where they can operate profitable business which is why they are here.
First Up wrote: » Well our economy is at full capacity so we are doing something right. Our infrastructure problems are the result of success, not failure.
Wanderer78 wrote: its an unsustainable model, it has the potential to cause catastrophic social issues globally, in fact, i believe it already is, it will have to be addressed at some stage, and i suspect that may not happen with the status quo
tototoe wrote: I'd put our infrastructure problems down to bad planning, lack of investment, poor control of public spending on projects that do go ahead and gombeen politicians making decisions that suit them rather than public need. And that extends back many years and political parties.
rockatansky wrote: » I'm thinking the same. 24 hours in and Mary Lou is on damage control. I'd say there's plenty who voted Sinn Fein who just wanted to give the big 2 a real scare. No one ever thought they would get so close to being in Government. Job done essentially if a new GE is called. Many will have has time to reflect and will probably move their vote from SF for a more moderate left party.
Always Tired wrote: » I'd say you're not far wrong. Everyone saying SF would have a rake more seats if they ran more candidates might be right - but they might have missed that opportunity and a second election wouldn't necessarily be as good or better. The last time we revoted on something a lot of people seemed to lose their balls and I could see that happening in a 2nd election.
First Up wrote: » Well our economy is at full capacity so we are doing something right. Our infrastructure problems are the result of success, not failure. We could solve the housing problem by returning to a 1930's - 1950's style economy (ourselves alone) and encouraging half a million to emigrate.
SafeSurfer wrote: » I would agree that another general election is a viable alternative to government by fudge. Sinn Fein could win perhaps an additional 11 seats bringing them to 48 seats, mainly at the expense of other left wing parties and independents. This would make a coalition of the left as distant a prospect as ever. I also think that there would be higher transfer rates among the centre parties, possibly securing many seats lost to left wing candidates by very small margins. The next election would be a referendum on the future direction of the country. Left wing populism vs centre pragmatism with all the advantages and disadvantages of both.
First Up wrote: You are welcome to suggest whatever global economic system you think is better.
Idbatterim wrote: » it depends, if they could coax out more people who would vote SF, who never thought they might actually be the biggest party (and hence didnt vote last time, through delusionment etc) if they ran enough candidates, they could eat more into the FFG vote...
Wanderer78 wrote: Wouldn't have a clue, but I'd imagine most humans, if not all humans, don't have a clue, but I do like the term 'progressive capatalism', which includes making sure large corporations and institutions pay their fair share in taxes, in order to help redistribute the wealth that is created by their activities. I also think the method of accepting partial payments of tax revenue as stock and shares, then utilising sovereign wealth funds from there, is probably a good start in dealing with this slowly escalating problem.
First Up wrote: Most humans are not required to but those elected to govern should and it is wiser to be sure they can before finding out for sure.
Wanderer78 wrote: Our economic systems and processes are highly complex, I personally don't think any human truly fully understands them, we have depowered our political institutions so much, very little power and control truly exists within these institutions and systems anymore, as other, more complex entities interact with our political systems, and have far more power and control.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Or every four and five seater should do like Tipperary and Kerry and return two independents. Cute hoors everywhere would be just the job.
WealthyB wrote: » I cant take any more sporting parlance, whether its half time on Brexit, Senior Hurling, balls in other people's courts and leaders taking the ball and running with it... and while I'm here can anyone find this plate everyone is supposed to step up to
First Up wrote: The private sector creates wealth; governments distribute it. That's what they both do best
washman3 wrote: » we could always give the 'Drumcondra Mafia' a shout and ask them to run the country again. Or those 'lovely honourable people' that frequented the Galway Tent.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Was the Galway tent any different to the €200 a plate Sinn Fein fundraisers? They are the wealthiest political party on the Island with a war chest of 15 million.
