Fr_Dougal wrote: » Reading between the lines here, and I might be completely wrong, might you prefer an *effective* FF/FG government over a SF led government?
Mortelaro wrote: » They negotiated a programme for government with FF that didn't include that FF said NO to it Minority Parties that form governments haven't told lies when their manifesto isnt fully implemented Only parties than get majorities can be accused of that You should know that
Mortelaro wrote: » They are not running anywhere,they want to be the official opposition which is what the electorate have decided They lost the election and are actually implementing a promise not to go into government with Sinn Féin and you are criticising this? Leo by the way got himself elected in his own constituency as did 34 other Fine Gael candidates which despite your apparent hatrid of them means they have rights as do their voters,very considerable rights.
Yurt! wrote: » :pac: Amazing that a party that could still form part of a government are declaring themselves losers. I'd agree with you that FG voters have rights, and if I were a FG voter I'd be asking questions why FG aren't busting a gut trying to put together a government with FF to give voice to that vote. That to me is going on the run.
Yurt! wrote: » ...if I were a FG voter I'd be asking questions why FG aren't busting a gut trying to put together a government with FF to give voice to that vote...
Trizo wrote: » This is hilarious , all the SF supporters on here who have been ranting and raving about FG and FF demanding change and when they get it, they are panicking about who’s going to run the country. They almost seem to be demanding that FG and FF go back into government despite demanding change -You actually couldn’t make this up :rolleyes: Its like the kids have kicked the parents out of the house and now because they don’t have a job cant pay the bills , don’t know how to operate the washing machine , the dishes are going to pile up and the next door neighbour is calling around at 5 to discuss a boundary wall issue. Poor pets are having a meltdown, and worst of all there’s nobody to read them a bedtime story where it ends happily ever after. Guys you got what you wanted , SF have the popular vote and just about the most seats (when you consider the Ceann Comhairle is FF) its up to them to form the government , FG and FF were roundly rejected by the electorate for their failings, they have no mandate. People have voted for change so let’s get on with it, form the government and start governing … If SF, then decide actually you know what I preferred the comfortable seats on the other side of the Dail well then it’ll be up to FF and to a lesser extent FG to try and put something together until that time the ball is firmly in MLM’s hands. It’ll be some spoof though not to govern after the election they have had. People on this thread still going on like the election hasn’t happened, going over old issues and grievances - the votes have been counted guys move on …..
jimgoose wrote: » If McDonald had any real political acumen she'd stay away from government and likely as not walk into a sweeping majority at the next election. Varadkar is doing the only politically astute thing he can do in the circumstances, which is let SF get on with whatever hash-up they might be able to cobble together, let it come down in a heap soon enough, and thus with any luck put that whole ridiculous shambles to bed for at least ten years.
Fred Cryton wrote: » Why did you start at 2011 and not 2002? FG are largely unchanged since 2002. Careful with your stats.
super_furry wrote: » This is just a weird thread. Imagine the outrage if Fine Gael has come out and said that they want to create a new government, it'd be off the charts. Personally I see Sinn Fein trying to get their excuses in early here. They've found themselves in a very tricky position whereby they're declaring winners of the election but if they go into government they have to try to implement a manifesto that was never written to be implemented. They did better than their wildest dreams and now realise that they simply can't live up to all their promises. Plus there's the fact that they know that if there's a second election, they'll be able to run 80 candidates, pick up even more seats and won't need Fianna Fail at all. So what they have to try and do now is look like they want to form a government without wanting to form one and ensure that when talks break down, they come out it looking clean. It's a very tricky road to walk.
Idbatterim wrote: » Keyzer wrote: » Idbatterim wrote: » hang on a minute, this old chestnut! the marginal rate is 50%, I couldnt care less whether it is 1% income tax and 49% tooth fairy tax! should I? you havent go a clue, please check that income tax calculator link I posted. I will be sure to tell my employees, on your behalf, that they are wrong to turn down extra hours, because it is only 40% that will be thieved from them, not 50%... the god knows how many people who turned down extra hours over the years, must all be wrong... When you lose fifty percent of salary and then might have to pay extra childcare etc, most wont bother and they are right! I've checked the income tax calculator based on a salary of 100K (way above the numbers you're talking about), see below: Annual salary (before pension contributions) - €100,000 Tax payable: €35,300 @ 20% = €7,060 / €64,700 @ 40% = €25,880 PRSI = €4,000 USC = €4,871 Total deductions = €38,511 That's 38.5% tax... Now, please explain to me how this person is paying 50% tax.
Keyzer wrote: » Idbatterim wrote: » hang on a minute, this old chestnut! the marginal rate is 50%, I couldnt care less whether it is 1% income tax and 49% tooth fairy tax! should I? you havent go a clue, please check that income tax calculator link I posted. I will be sure to tell my employees, on your behalf, that they are wrong to turn down extra hours, because it is only 40% that will be thieved from them, not 50%... the god knows how many people who turned down extra hours over the years, must all be wrong... When you lose fifty percent of salary and then might have to pay extra childcare etc, most wont bother and they are right! I've checked the income tax calculator based on a salary of 100K (way above the numbers you're talking about), see below: Annual salary (before pension contributions) - €100,000 Tax payable: €35,300 @ 20% = €7,060 / €64,700 @ 40% = €25,880 PRSI = €4,000 USC = €4,871 Total deductions = €38,511 That's 38.5% tax... Now, please explain to me how this person is paying 50% tax.
Idbatterim wrote: » hang on a minute, this old chestnut! the marginal rate is 50%, I couldnt care less whether it is 1% income tax and 49% tooth fairy tax! should I? you havent go a clue, please check that income tax calculator link I posted. I will be sure to tell my employees, on your behalf, that they are wrong to turn down extra hours, because it is only 40% that will be thieved from them, not 50%... the god knows how many people who turned down extra hours over the years, must all be wrong... When you lose fifty percent of salary and then might have to pay extra childcare etc, most wont bother and they are right!
Idbatterim wrote: » Are you serious?! they would win a few more seats, thats it! FF / FG and greens form a government or its FF, SF and possibly the greens... thats it, those are the options... another election doesnt change any of the fundamentals! SF get a majorority, put that in the conspiracy theory forum or comedy forum!
Keyzer wrote: » Idbatterim wrote: » Keyzer wrote: » I've checked the income tax calculator based on a salary of 100K (way above the numbers you're talking about), see below: Annual salary (before pension contributions) - €100,000 Tax payable: €35,300 @ 20% = €7,060 / €64,700 @ 40% = €25,880 PRSI = €4,000 USC = €4,871 Total deductions = €38,511 That's 38.5% tax... Now, please explain to me how this person is paying 50% tax. They aren't. This poster & I discussed this the other day too - their conclusion was that the cost of living is higher in Dublin - hence FIFTY. I presume the next move is that people pay VAT, and motor tax, and that counts as income tax.
Idbatterim wrote: » Keyzer wrote: » I've checked the income tax calculator based on a salary of 100K (way above the numbers you're talking about), see below: Annual salary (before pension contributions) - €100,000 Tax payable: €35,300 @ 20% = €7,060 / €64,700 @ 40% = €25,880 PRSI = €4,000 USC = €4,871 Total deductions = €38,511 That's 38.5% tax... Now, please explain to me how this person is paying 50% tax. They aren't. This poster & I discussed this the other day too - their conclusion was that the cost of living is higher in Dublin - hence FIFTY. I presume the next move is that people pay VAT, and motor tax, and that counts as income tax.
Keyzer wrote: » I've checked the income tax calculator based on a salary of 100K (way above the numbers you're talking about), see below: Annual salary (before pension contributions) - €100,000 Tax payable: €35,300 @ 20% = €7,060 / €64,700 @ 40% = €25,880 PRSI = €4,000 USC = €4,871 Total deductions = €38,511 That's 38.5% tax... Now, please explain to me how this person is paying 50% tax.
super_furry wrote: » So what they have to try and do now is look like they want to form a government without wanting to form one and ensure that when talks break down, they come out it looking clean. It's a very tricky road to walk.
Yurt! wrote: » FG involved in government is the last thing this country needs, it's just amusing watching them run from it when it's still within their grasp.
tritium wrote: » So you are just having a whinge Lovely, good luck to you
Yurt! wrote: » You don't need to run a budget surplus to build infrastructure or invest once you're creditworthy and service your debt. We were back on the markets a long time ago. If he's Junior Cert, you've just failed your Leaving.
boetstark wrote: » OK Einstein, cuts in areas of public spending or borrow more on the markets for "investment in infrastructure" Which is it
bennyl10 wrote: » So exactly what SF have done for the past 20 years? seemed to work pretty well for them in the end
Idbatterim wrote: » they have done nothing so far, the same as FG and varadkar over the last nine years...
JohnnyFlash wrote: » Deep down, Jim, I’d imagine plenty of good SF men and women wouldn’t like the idea of a SF majority or even a coalition with the AAA/PBP sorts. Lot of people are just creatures of protest and like to remain that way. It’s intellectually and emotionally easy, and you always get to take the high moral ground.
Fr_Dougal wrote: » It’s gas. Posters like the OP vote for SF and then complain that FG won’t be in power. SF voters don’t seem at all happy that SF will be in government.
Fieldsman wrote: » If someone said FG sat on their hands for the last 9 years how come our economy is the envy of every other country in Europe and our unemployment went from 15% down to less than 5
