FrancieBrady wrote: » Sadly, none of this, once again, pathetic exploitation of a victim is going to bring her son back. I think once she realised she was wrong it was genuine shock (it was visible) she was wrong and she accepted it.
RandomName2 wrote: » Pathetic exploitation of a victim would be blackening the victim's name, calling them or their families liars, posing as intermediaries between the victims and the IRA while actually providing shelter to the perpetrators. I was actually talking about Maria Cahill here, but it would be equally applicable in relation to the particular murder brought up during the debate last night. You know who you're voting for FrancieBrady. Live with it.
joseywhales wrote: » Lets use an example here: You have a high earning job, say 400k, you are head of a research team at microsoft. You are irish, you want to live here and have a family here. You are very hard to replace for microsoft so you convince them to let you work here, even though the rest of the team is in Seattle but they trust you You write a proposal, to form a sub team here in ireland employing 5 after 5 years 10 after 10, of irish people with the potential to reach your level and earning power. Now imagine you increase the marginal income tax rate, none of the above happens, you decide it is not worth living in Ireland, you stay in Seattle and pay average 35% income tax, the country loses hundreds of thousands in taxes and intellectual property and high value jobs. That is the cost,fine if you think it is worth it.
blanch152 wrote: » It was Breege Quinn who has gone on radio this week to call Sinn Fein out. She was rightly outraged by Lynn Boylan the other morning
FrancieBrady wrote: » Breege Quinn has been rightly outraged since 2007 and nobody has done anything for her. But she will be used when it is expedient for FG and FF to use her, just like Mairia Cahill was used and exploited and then dropped when they were done with her. That's the obscenity that people are seeing through.
blanch152 wrote: » Crap, she said nothing until Lynn Boylan stupidly got involved.
Matt Barrett wrote: » FG would have us in the Commonwealth.
feargale wrote: » If you had a choice between a united Ireland as a republic in the Commonwealth and the present 26-county republic which would you choose?
feargale wrote: » @Matt Barrett: You seem to have missed this. We await your response with baited breath.
woohoo!!! wrote: » Interesting comment by Bertie Ahern in 2007: The murder in Monaghan last month of Paul Quinn "was not paramilitary but pertained to feuds about criminality that were taking place", the Taoiseach told the Dáil.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/garda-says-quinn-killing-a-criminal-feud-ahern-1.982248?mode=amp
FrancieBrady wrote: » Has he apologised????
efanton wrote: » Since when was it the governments job to look after a tiny minority of citizens rather than look after the vast majority of citizens?
woohoo!!! wrote: » Of course not and nor should he [apologize]. He was giving an account of the then murder, from where his sources of info came, and any wider implications. Or doing his job as Taoiseach and Informing the Dail. Todays revisionism and turning the murder into a political football at election time is very cynical and misleading.
RandomName2 wrote: » I think that the Sinn Fein supporters moving away from throwing victims and their families under the bus to whataboutery is a stronger suit for them.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ahern-says-quinn-not-a-criminal-1.992814 You should drop the blatant lies though. Hold on a minute. This happened in 2007. We shouldn't be talking about ancient history like this. What about De Valera. He killed people back a hundred years ago. What about him?
woohoo!!! wrote: » Of course not and nor should he. He was giving an account of the then murder, from where his sources of info came, and any wider implications. Or doing his job as Taoiseach and Informing the Dail. Todays revisionism and turning the murder into a political football at election time is very cynical and misleading.
woohoo!!! wrote: » The article quoted what was said in the Dail. If the Dail record is inaccurate, then Martin as FF leader and assumed next Taoiseach should correct the Dail record. Unless of course it's just an election ploy, to be quickly forgotten about. Oh and first time SF voter and the only people who are convinced by your line of argument are those already converted. Both FF and FG are under 50% per the last poll. It would be smart to listen to and understand the reasons why. This issue, the special criminal court, will sway very few voters compared to housing and health. But you're too wound up in faux rage to notice or perhaps it's just arrogance, either way, your views are out of touch and yesterdays dinosaur, politically speaking.
blanch152 wrote: » Actually he did, a month later. Took Sinn Fein over 12 years.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Codology. If was stated SF/IRA beat the lad to death or in the least should apologise for suggesting he was a criminal. And there the leader of the country at the time saying it was nothing to do with the IRA and the lad was a criminal. So back to the drawing board FF/FG, still a few days left to distract from the national crises.
Idbatterim wrote: » Correct. Few of my mates and family havegone from Fg to a sf vote. Primarily on housing issues as a protest. Do they give a ross about the doe usl criminal court ? Do the fcuk. This country holds nobody to account. Raising Mickey Mouse issues to try and detract
woohoo!!! wrote: » Link?
is_that_so wrote: » That so-called protest vote is likely to put almost all of those "despised" parties back into power with possibly FG as mudguard.
RandomName2 wrote: » Distraction. Claim: Bertie Ahern did not apologize for saying that he believed that the death was the result of a criminal dispute. This is a lie. He did apologize at the time when the matter was clarified for him. From Sinn Fein's point of view, they always side with the IRA where the matter is a personal dispute with a civilian. This was, for instance, the case with the McCartney sisters. They personally speak to both the IRA and the victims (you can laugh at the notion of the IRA being a separate organization if you wish), and then try and brush the matter under the carpet. When they know who the perpetrators are, they always go by their old rule. Whatever you say, say nothing. And these national crises you say, you say we should vest trust in an organization which has very little experience, and the experience they do have in the North has a poor track record. Put trust in an organization which wants to vastly increase spending and believe it can do so entirely by taxing the tech companies, upon which we are dependent for most of our current urban employment sector. The murders, or the bad economic plans. Take your pick about which one makes them a bad choice. I think the latter is the only one the public care about though.
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-51384695 "The taoiseach (Irish prime minister) at the time, Bertie Ahern, told the Dáil (Irish parliament) in the immediate aftermath that the killing was "not paramilitary but pertained to feuds about criminality that were taking place". The following month Mr Ahern corrected himself and told the Dáil Mr Quinn had no criminal links, although he added that police had told him there was no information available to them that the murder was authorised or sanctioned by the IRA. The Irish foreign affairs minister at the time, Dermot Ahern, said his government believed the killing may have been carried out by IRA members but not ordered by the IRA army council - which meant the political process would not be affected."
Matt Barrett wrote: » Can we make up claims? Where did I state he didn't retract it at some point? I'm not really interested in talking about the IRA or SF up north as regards the 2020 election. I think SF will tackle housing and that's a key problem we have so I support them on that. If PBP were looking good likely we'd both be discussing them but it's SF, so IRA stories it is.
Matt Barrett wrote: » So what's the problem?
efanton wrote: » What you say is all very possible. Like I said I was not advocating a 60% tax, I was just pointing out that raising income tax wold have little impact, and probably none at all, on a companies decision to pull out. Income tax does not affect companies and corporations, corporation tax is the only tax that affect them. But the point even in your example is it made absolutely no difference to the company. The company did not, and would not,decide to pull out of Ireland. If the man in your example did not work for the company someone else would. The vast majority of multinational jobs do not provide that sort of income, so your example is only relevant to a tiny proportion of multinational jobs. Since when was it the governments job to look after a tiny minority of citizens rather than look after the vast majority of citizens?
Matt Barrett wrote: » I think SF will tackle housing and that's a key problem we have so I support them on that...
Idbatterim wrote: » Correct. Few of my mates and family havegone from Fg to a sf vote. Primarily on housing issues as a protest.
blanch152 wrote: » We are talking about incidents that happened in 2007, what is wrong with that?
blanch152 wrote: » We are talking about incidents that happened in 2007, what is wrong with that? By the way, since when did you become a partitionist?
