notobtuse wrote: » LOL... Keep thinking that! :P
kilns wrote: » care to elaborate
notobtuse wrote: » Sure. It’s the voter’s impressions that matters most come November. Under Obama things got a little better because they could only go up at the time. But not to pre-crash levels, and Obama said to embrace the new normal, which was foolish on his part. Now, under Trump, people feel things are a lot better and it has to do much with Trump giving tax breaks to everyone and killing job crushing government regulations. Not to mention historical low unemployment rates and the democrats never ending impeachment investigations because Orange Man Bad won the election in 2016. So keep telling people they are stupid for feeling their current status was really Obama’s doing and has nothing to do with Trump. It will guarantee Trump’s reelection, ensure Republicans keep a hold on the Senate, provide more constitutional and conservative judges in both the federal courts and the SCOTUS, and could possibly put the House back in the GOP’s hands this November. Take it to the bank!
notobtuse wrote: » Sure. It’s the voter’s impressions that matters most come November.
duploelabs wrote: » Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a dayhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/20/trump-v-obama-economy-charts/
notobtuse wrote: » LOL... Keep thinking that!
Winning_Stroke wrote: » True. Pre-November 2016 the media couldn't stop telling the public how the economy would crash were Trump to become President, Nobel winners were leading the charge, hysterical types were dumping all their stocks on the morning after ( don't believe everything you read folks!) etc etc. People can compare the current situation against that to which they were told would happen. Of course, the Devoted will defend to the last first with "Sure Obama did better," then "The great economy is because of Obama!" to "It's actually an awful economy and it's all Drumpf's fault".
kilns wrote: » Tax cuts etc are great but what you should be looking at is the debt, which is rising at a crazy rate. You can borrow and borrow to make things look good but at some stage its going to explode. Its like your neighbour buying a new Porshce in order to show off on his credit card, eventually its going have to be paid off and thats when the pain really hits
kilns wrote: » So to summarize you dont dispute that Trumps figures are not as good as Obamas and while yes he has not fcuked it up and has contributed to it and the trend has continued, he is riding the wave that was created before him and the fact he cannot acknowledge that sums the man up. However at the same time he has irresponsibly ran up the debt like has done in his own private life, the difference is here he cant just file for bankruptcy, someone is going to have to pay for it i.e. the American taxpayer. Isnt this the same President who in 2016 promise he would elminate the national debt, thoughts? So tell us the last "national election" occured when? what were peoples feelings going into that election and which side would you say won that election?
notobtuse wrote: » Wow, people on the left are suddenly concerned about the national debt? Don't that beat all! I don't like the level of debt but I'm willing to see if what experts say is correct... that the tax cuts and it's corresponding effect on growth will bring in high levels of taxes which will be used to help cut the red down in Trump's second term
Manic Moran wrote: » This seems to be the reverse argument that the Republicans have been talking about. For all the commentary about the Republicans being fiscally conservative, they've not done a particularly good job of it. It is possible to both cut taxes to gain those benefits you mention and not increase debt, but someone needs to cut spending somewhere to do it and they don't seem to have come up with much of a plan to do so.
kilns wrote: » Trump stated that he would eliminate the debt when in fact he has done the opposite. This should be one of the major things he is held accountable for. If he runs the country like this with all the checks and balances in place imagine what his personal finances are like
notobtuse wrote: » The interest burden on our debt is becoming crippling. More tax revenues will help but so very little of our spending has now become discretionary. No way out of it, imo, but to just keep printing money and perhaps go two war with someone like China where we can call all debts null and void.
kilns wrote: » How much do you spend on military? It’s a disgrace considering your a third world country when it comes to healthcare for your citizens. You can start there
notobtuse wrote: » Wow, people on the left are suddenly concerned about the national debt?
FreeThePants wrote: » Under Ragaen and Bush Sr national deficit went from about 80bn to 400bn, roughly a five fold increase. Clinton wiped out the deficit entirely, and left Bush Jr with the only surplus since the 1960s. An not just a tiny surplus, but one of 240bn. Bush then took that surplus, and shat it down the toilet winding up with a deficit of 460bn and the worst financial crisis in a century. Obama came in, fixed said recession, and still left office with the deficit lower than he inherited it, at 438bn. Trump, like Bush before him, inherited the excellent situation his democratic predecessor had left for him. We are three years in and the deficit has more than doubled, now exceeding $1tn if I am correct. This is the reality of it.
notobtuse wrote: » How much do you and other countries rely on the US spending that money on its military? Why not step up?
notobtuse wrote: » Obama left office with the deficit lower than he inherited? What comic book did you find that information in?
kilns wrote: » Still waiting for your justification for Trumps out of control deficit and debt and the fact he claimed he’d wipe it out.
kilns wrote: » Oh ffs nobody needs to spend stupid money on military. In the US it’s crazy if you question it you are suddenly unpatriotic which is bull. You do know Ireland is not part of NATO too...
notobtuse wrote: » I never said he would wipe it out.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Trump said he would, he hasn't and in fact he has doubled it. What's your thoughts on that?
notobtuse wrote: » Doubled it? Really? Regardless... OH, NO! A POLITICIAN DOESN’T KEEP ALL OF HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISES... NEWS AT 11! Shocked, I tell you. Shocked! I think you may have just found Nancy Pelosi’s next reason to impeach Trump. But doesn't Congress create the budget and control the purse strings?
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Just pointing out the fact that you don't read replies to you correctly.
notobtuse wrote: » Huh?
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Scroll up and re read your reply to something that was never claimed of you.
