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People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

frillyleaf

I’ve heard people saying multiple times that they like certain SF candidates but they won’t vote for them as they are Sinn Fein. Trying to understand why there is such opposite to Sinn Fein? Have looked up online but not getting good info. Surely if someone likes a candidate and what they stand for they should vote for them? Please explain

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Snow Garden

The establishment parties (and posters) will all go after SF this week. It may backfire.

Phoebas

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

She said if people working away see a massive house building programme they will want to come home and help, someone The said yeah and where will they live while this is all going on.

She talked also about redirecting building in the commercial office sector into building homes. It's not clear how she would make that happen, but I guess a government can provide for some incentives for that.

There was some construction expert on RTE this morning talking about skills shortages in civil engineers, project managers and QS and also in the wet trades. Said that there were people abroad who would like to come home to take up those positions, but couldn't afford to because of house/rent prices. So we have a chicken and egg situation.

I'm very sceptical of any party that promises a rapid acceleration in home building. I think the problem will be solved by painfully slow incremental improvements.
Obviously an economic crash would also do the trick.

Kivaro

Ultimanemo wrote: »

SF is a party of Ideology, Ideology is very destructive to any country because they use the country to achieve their vision.

So we stay in limbo?

As I posted on another thread:
I dislike Sinn Fein. I see them more of a social-welfare and open-border party than anything else.

But the way I see it is that they will either destroy the economy with Venezuelan-type policies (within the confines allowed by the EU), which would then finally require a reboot of the country to give us a better Ireland v2, or they may actually indeed initiate change and give the people who work or contribute to society the services and infrastructure that we deserve. Either way, it will be CHANGE and we will not have the same FFG lies, corruption and cronyism that we have been forced to endure for many decades.

Idbatterim

Ultimanemo wrote: »

SF is a party of Ideology, Ideology is very destructive to any country because they use the country to achieve their vision.

yeah and FG lust for rip off prices and that ideology, that isnt destructive?

Ultimanemo

SF is a party of Ideology, Ideology is very destructive to any country because they use the country to achieve their vision.

smurgen

Edgware wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

That's right. I'm sure they will all be running back to live in Mary Lou's regime especially thehighly qualified Architects and Quantity Surveyors

Well they seem to be in absence as is it's like there's none employed for the NCH project.all we have is PWC writing and justifying blank cheques on behalf of fine Gael

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

I watched the debate, but that doesn't stand out to me.

My guess is you're possibly quoting something out of context though.

No she did say it.

They were talking about it on newstalk the day after.

Or was it the RTÉ debate?

I could be mixing them up.

She said if people working away see a massive house building programme they will want to come home and help, someone The said yeah and where will they live while this is all going on.

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

She said it in the debate on Virgin the other night.

I watched the debate, but that doesn't stand out to me.

My guess is you're possibly quoting something out of context though.

Edgware

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

She said it in the debate on Virgin the other night.

That's right. I'm sure they will all be running back to live in Mary Lou's regime especially thehighly qualified Architects and Quantity Surveyors

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

Have you a link for that, I'd like to read more about it tbh.

She said it in the debate on Virgin the other night.

Jinglejangle69

Whelo79 wrote: »

So why focus your ridicule and smart comments on the SF number of 100,000 when FF have stated they will build double that number?

Eh because this is a SF thread.

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

100,000 houses and the people to build them are going to come home from oz and NZ SF say.

Like is that enough to believe it will actually happen?

Hoping people will come home.

Have you a link for that, I'd like to read more about it tbh.

Whelo79

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I know, more BS.

So why focus your ridicule and smart comments on the SF number of 100,000 when FF have stated they will build double that number?

FrancieBrady

Whelo79 wrote: »

But yet FF claim they are going to build 200,000 over the same period. Reduced down from 250,000 as was printed on their manifesto (which they claim was a typo)!

And Leo when asked where the workers to build his would come from says, 'they will certainly be people needed from outside'.
When pressured to say where they would live while helping out...he says, 'same as they did last time'.

Manifestos? Don't make me laugh.

Jinglejangle69

Whelo79 wrote: »

But yet FF claim they are going to build 200,000 over the same period. Reduced down from 250,000 as was printed on their manifesto (which they claim was a typo)!

I know, more BS.

Whelo79

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

100,000 houses and the people to build them are going to come home from oz and NZ SF say.

Like is that enough to believe it will actually happen?

Hoping people will come home.

But yet FF claim they are going to build 200,000 over the same period. Reduced down from 250,000 as was printed on their manifesto (which they claim was a typo)!

windy shepard henderson

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

100,000 houses and the people to build them are going to come home from oz and NZ SF say.

Like is that enough to believe it will actually happen?

Hoping people will come home.

Apparently them 100,000 new houses are to be built in Dublin.. Looks like the Irish sea is to become a housing estate :rolleyes:

Edgware

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

100,000 houses and the people to build them are going to come home from oz and NZ SF say.

Like is that enough to believe it will actually happen?

Hoping people will come home.

But Mary Lou said it so the people must believe her

Jinglejangle69

100,000 houses and the people to build them are going to come home from oz and NZ SF say.

Like is that enough to believe it will actually happen?

Hoping people will come home.

christy c

smurgen wrote: »

Irish water looks like s rounding error in comparison to the NCH.do ye have a final figure there yet?

Who's ye? Presume there won't be a final figure until it's finished.

christy c

McMurphy wrote: »

Irish water wasn't just a financial disaster, it was a PR disaster also.

Big Phil got shunted to Europe over it, and Alan Kelly wasn't much better arrogance wise for a replacement.

Yep, but it's like "I'll see your Irish water, and I'll raise you some combination of idiotic tax cuts and spending increases". The resultant recession would be more of a PR disaster I'd guess.

And you could say that about probably all manifestos.

smurgen

christy c wrote: »

Irish water looks like a rounding error in comparison to the manifestos that are out at the moment.

Irish water looks like s rounding error in comparison to the NCH.do ye have a final figure there yet?

McMurphy

christy c wrote: »

Irish water looks like a rounding error in comparison to the manifestos that are out at the moment.

Irish water wasn't just a financial disaster, it was a PR disaster also.

Big Phil got shunted to Europe over it, and Alan Kelly wasn't much better arrogance wise for a replacement.

christy c

McMurphy wrote: »

Irish Water, Irish Water, Irish water.

That is all.

Irish water looks like a rounding error in comparison to the manifestos that are out at the moment.

McMurphy

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Nobody was predicting that FF would see the light of day again. They got severely punished that's all.

The electorate is very fickle because we never vote on anything long term. Even FG/Lab got hit in the previous election because people were inpatient for recovery in a few short years.

I thought it was unfair on labour particularly as people expected that as a minor coalition partner that they could deliver their whole agenda instead of valuing then on what they could do. They're was an expectation that they should bring the government down on the first thing that their voters didn't get.

We were building 90k houses before the crash. But which parties are promoting sustainable building now?

Irish Water, Irish Water, Irish water.

That is all.

Edgware

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Sure they already have over 20 seats.

Of course a lot depends on the seat they might take. e.g. taking Pringles seat in Donegal or Gino Kenny seat in Dublin won't reduce the seat count of FG or FF. In any case it looks like that all the rest are going to give SF the pariah treatment and there is nothing SF can do about it

SafeSurfer

efanton wrote: »

I think it had more to do with being able to afford to run that many candidates and being able to put forward people that they could totally trust in government.
Also the silly gender quota, which in principal is good but in practice a terrible solution, but in many constituencies because of the gender quota parties have decided not to field a candidate because of it.
Personally I would sooner see quality rather than quantity.

Also SF are a growing party. coming form 1 seat to potentially well over 20 seats in as many years cant be easy to manage.

If they an get 20 to 25 seats in this election they will be in very good shape for the next, and I'm certain that is what is terrifying to FF and FG.

Sure they already have over 20 seats.

Edgware

Sinn Fein might regret their candidate strategy next week with candidates surpluses going all over the place. It will be very interesting to see if they can hold the two seats in Dublin mid West
It would be some feat of vote management

windy shepard henderson

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

No it hadn't, Noreen moran a candidate that got over 5000 first preference votes was overlooked by a candidate that could barely muster 500 votes in a local election last year

It happened in several constitutionsices anf now it is showing its head

In clare this is

windy shepard henderson

efanton wrote: »

I think it had more to do with being able to afford to run that many candidates and being able to put forward people that they could totally trust in government.
Also the silly gender quota, which in principal is good but in practice a terrible solution, but in many constituencies because of the gender quota parties have decided not to field a candidate because of it.
Personally I would sooner see quality rather than quantity.

Also SF are a growing party. coming form 1 seat to potentially well over 20 seats in as many years cant be easy to manage.

If they an get 20 to 25 seats in this election they will be in very good shape for the next, and I'm certain that is what is terrifying to FF and FG.

No it hadn't, Noreen moran a candidate that got over 5000 first preference votes was overlooked by a candidate that could barely muster 500 votes in a local election last year

It happened in several constitutionsices and now it is showing its head