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Garda free coffee

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You know the way usually a big shop or petrol station in some town will give guards free coffees? What's the story with this? Is it the case that the garda station has deal with the shop where they pay in advance, or do the shops just give them out free?

This wouldn't bother me either way. I'm just interested.

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decky1

Better Than Christ wrote: »

A perc of the job...

Hahahahahahahaha

perc u later officer.;)

Edgware

corner of hells wrote: »

They also get free flights and trips the zoo.

And free trips on the Space Shuttle

Edgware

In the UK when the Establishment were trying to discredit John Stalker he was disciplined for accepting hospitality from Manchester City F.C.
I.e. A coffee and sausage roll when in charge of a match

KaneToad

wonski wrote: »

Feel so sorry for your pain.

You can always join Garda or private sector if it is such a deal breaker.

I work in the private sector. Not sure what your point is?

KaneToad

From the Guards code of ethics:

Honesty and Integrity

The honesty and integrity of the Garda
Síochána are critical to the functioning
of the criminal justice system and for our
democracy. The public, your colleagues,
the courts and other organisations expect
and rely on you to tell the truth. By acting
with honesty and integrity, you gain and
maintain their trust.

To meet this standard, and to ensure the
public can have confidence that you are
acting impartially and fairly, you must not
use your position to gain personal
advantage or place yourself under an
obligation which might influence you in
the performance of your duties.

wonski

KaneToad wrote: »

I work in the private sector. Not sure what your point is?

My point is that many do get free coffee at work so what is the issue with some places offering free coffee to Garda on duty? I would do the same if I run a shop or petrol station. Would give it to ambulance staff, too. Or any other emergency services. Wouldn't give it to a teacher, bricklayer, office manager etc etc

That's my point.

What's your point?

wonski

KaneToad wrote: »

From the Guards code of ethics:

Honesty and Integrity

The honesty and integrity of the Garda
Síochána are critical to the functioning
of the criminal justice system and for our
democracy. The public, your colleagues,
the courts and other organisations expect
and rely on you to tell the truth. By acting
with honesty and integrity, you gain and
maintain their trust.

To meet this standard, and to ensure the
public can have confidence that you are
acting impartially and fairly, you must not
use your position to gain personal
advantage or place yourself under an
obligation which might influence you in
the performance of your duties.

And how not being charged for coffee influences the performance of your duties?

KaneToad

wonski wrote: »

And how not being charged for coffee influences the performance of your duties?

Why are these places not charging guards?

Why don't they not charge teachers?
Or carpenters?
Or air traffic controllers?

amadangomor

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

That’s a very good point, P. You’d imagine there’s an “honours” system where the gardaí might take a 3 item combo but not 4, and certainly not 5.

I was under the impression that lotto tickets were “off limits”, T.

The Guards that would get the 50p meals in the hotel I have mentioned would mostly take the piss completely and order a T Bone with the full works.

amadangomor

KaneToad wrote: »

Why are these places not charging guards?

Why don't they not charge teachers?
Or carpenters?
Or air traffic controllers?

Yep, the business owners are looking to gain out of the fact the Guards have powers that normal people do not as such it is corrupt. A low level of corruption but still corruption.

Stovepipe

A friend's sister worked in a petrol station in Dublin's Northside, and it was robbed more than once and the Gardai began to get free coffees there and it turned into coffee and breakfast rolls and then it turned into coffee, rolls and newspapers on the way home, so it grew and grew and the sister asked the manager why this was being tolerated, as some of the Gardai had got to the point that they would fill a basket and "get" a discount. One fine day, a detective filled his basket and walked out without paying for anything. When the manager was challenged about this, it turned out that he'd stopped the detective another day and was told that if he didn't, the place would get robbed and the response time might be rather slow.
In the end, the manager found his balls, called a Superintendent and the basket filling stopped and the situation returned to normal but the staff were left in fear of a robbery thereafter. Didnt cover the gardai in glory,that detective.

KaneToad

amadangomor wrote: »

Yep, the business owners are looking to gain out of the fact the Guards have powers that normal people do not as such it is corrupt. A low level of corruption but still corruption.

I agree. It's corrupt and unethical. Albeit at a low level. These 'freebies' are inducements, pure and simple.

lalababa

KaneToad wrote: »

I agree. It's corrupt and unethical. Albeit at a low level. These 'freebies' are inducements, pure and simple.

Yes, it's the lowest fundamental form of bribe, it's got nothing to do with being nice. It's scratch my back I'll scratch yours. It's the embryo of corruption. Keep in with the Gardai/local priest/councilor / co.co/planning etc. Ahh sure we're the best of friends and sure wouldn't you be doing such and such for me seeing as I always treated you good etc.
"Let's go to sheamies statoil for the free grub and coffee"
"There's antisocial behaviour going on in Tom's Appelgreen" "yearra sure **** Tom"

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I'd rather do any of those jobs than be called to the scene of a murder or suicide.

Or breaking the news of said murders and suicides to loved ones of the deceased.

KaneToad

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Or breaking the news of said murders and suicides to loved ones of the deceased.

This isn't a discussion about the nature of the work undertaken by guards. It's about them acting unethically by taking inducements. Plenty of jobs have horrible elements to them.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

KaneToad wrote: »

From the Guards code of ethics:

Honesty and Integrity

The honesty and integrity of the Garda
Síochána are critical to the functioning
of the criminal justice system and for our
democracy. The public, your colleagues,
the courts and other organisations expect
and rely on you to tell the truth. By acting
with honesty and integrity, you gain and
maintain their trust.

To meet this standard, and to ensure the
public can have confidence that you are
acting impartially and fairly, you must not
use your position to gain personal
advantage or place yourself under an
obligation which might influence you in
the performance of your duties.

I wish I had so little to be worrying about.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

KaneToad wrote: »

This isn't a discussion about the nature of the work undertaken by guards. It's about them acting unethically by taking inducements. Plenty of jobs have horrible elements to them.

Don’t try to dictate where the thread goes, thanks. I’ll decide if my post is relevant and if a MOD thinks it isn’t, they’ll let me know. If you’re not a mod, butt out.

wonski

KaneToad wrote: »

Why are these places not charging guards?

Why don't they not charge teachers?
Or carpenters?
Or air traffic controllers?

Teachers do get flowers and gifts from students.

Carpenters probably not.

I regularly get small things from suppliers, but the company I work for clearly states that small gifts up to certain value are acceptable (bottle of wine, chocolates etc on Christmas, lunch etc when visiting suppliers).

Its just part of the work and those free coffees for Garda don't bother me. Providing its a coffee, not full trolley of shopping.

Of course the line has to be drawn somewhere reasonably.

KaneToad

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Don’t try to dictate where the thread goes, thanks. I’ll decide if my post is relevant and if a MOD thinks it isn’t, they’ll let me know. If you’re not a mod, butt out.

The thread title is "Garda free coffee". I assumed it meant we would be discussing that?

KaneToad

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I wish I had so little to be worrying about.

I suppose that's where we differ. I don't like to see unethical behaviour in public employees. Unfortunately it's a common trait in Ireland. I don't think it's a healthy trait. It can lead to bigger things. It's the thin edge of the wedge.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

KaneToad wrote: »

The thread title is "Garda free coffee". I assumed it meant we would be discussing that?

You think that threads can’t evolve? Well, if that is what you think, report posts you think don’t conform.

Strumms

cursai wrote: »

Get a grip. Its comon sense and a courtesy gift to people they deal with on a regular basis and depend on.

Then they can give free coffee to the binmen, the guy who cleans the forecourt, their customers.. you know the people they really ‘rely’ on and depend on the most.... or shît isn’t that a customer.... nahh they charge them..

From the Gardai’s own regulations...

“The acceptance of gifts, hospitality and sponsorship must not influence, be seen to influence or perceived to influence the discharge of official duties, nor to influence, be seen to influence or perceived to influence garda and civilian staff in their dealings with any person, organisation or group holding or seeking to obtain a contract with An Garda Síochána. Garda and civilian staff may not accept any gifts, gratuities, favours, discounts, subscriptions, hospitality or sponsorship, which might be seen to compromise them, now or in the future. Garda and civilian staff will not solicit gifts or hospitality, directly or indirectly.”

corner of hells

Stovepipe wrote: »

A friend's sister worked in a petrol station in Dublin's Northside, and it was robbed more than once and the Gardai began to get free coffees there and it turned into coffee and breakfast rolls and then it turned into coffee, rolls and newspapers on the way home, so it grew and grew and the sister asked the manager why this was being tolerated, as some of the Gardai had got to the point that they would fill a basket and "get" a discount. One fine day, a detective filled his basket and walked out without paying for anything. When the manager was challenged about this, it turned out that he'd stopped the detective another day and was told that if he didn't, the place would get robbed and the response time might be rather slow.
In the end, the manager found his balls, called a Superintendent and the basket filling stopped and the situation returned to normal but the staff were left in fear of a robbery thereafter. Didnt cover the gardai in glory,that detective.

So was garage robbed again ?
And was the raider the detective?

dxhound2005

Strumms wrote: »

Then they can give free coffee to the binmen, the guy who cleans the forecourt, their customers.. you know the people they really ‘rely’ on and depend on the most.... or shît isn’t that a customer.... nahh they charge them..

From the Gardai’s own regulations...

“The acceptance of gifts, hospitality and sponsorship must not influence, be seen to influence or perceived to influence the discharge of official duties, nor to influence, be seen to influence or perceived to influence garda and civilian staff in their dealings with any person, organisation or group holding or seeking to obtain a contract with An Garda Síochána. Garda and civilian staff may not accept any gifts, gratuities, favours, discounts, subscriptions, hospitality or sponsorship, which might be seen to compromise them, now or in the future. Garda and civilian staff will not solicit gifts or hospitality, directly or indirectly.”

That's very clear. They can take a free cup of tea if it is offered to them. They cannot ask for a free cup of tea.

Yamanoto

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I'd rather do any of those jobs than be called to the scene of a murder or suicide.

I'd wager a couple of nights out on a trawler might give you pause for thought.

Strumms

wonski wrote: »

And how not being charged for coffee influences the performance of your duties?

Because it’s an inducement, if at midnight I call the Gardai and say there are two suspicious characters in my drive, looking at my car, as the phone is put down, another call, Dan at the petrol station calling, he’s just had his sign at the front of the shop broken, with a brick.... where is the available patrol car going...? In the spirit of wànkerisim it’s off to the petrol station to see their ‘mate’ alright...:rolleyes:

Strumms

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That's very clear. They can take a free cup of tea if it is offered to them. They cannot ask for a free cup of tea.

Negative... ‘the acceptance’....

dxhound2005

This seems to be a two way transaction, with a lot more people from private business giving hospitality than public servants accepting it. So if there is blame or corruption it lies mostly on the private business side.

The same as a bent Garda being paid for information by a journalist. One Garda, but the journalist, their editor and their bosses on the other side.

jay0109

Do they declare it on under BiK on their annual tax return?

dxhound2005

Strumms wrote: »

Negative... ‘the acceptance’....

Read the rest of it.