rdwight wrote: » If Eoin O'Broin was running in my constituency I would give him some innocuous preference (I'm partial to poshboys). Same would have been true of Jonathan O'Brien (Ok, I'm also partial to a bit of rough) The rest are poor. McDonald has been very poor for the last two years and very lucky for the last two months. Abstaining from responsiblity in NI for three years was a disgrace. Having let public services stagnate for three years SF got so desperate to get back to Stormont before the Free State elections that they capitulated to the DUP, especially on the Irish language. Pearse Doherty was much over praised for asking some disingenuous questions of inept insurance industry bureaucrats. If the insurance industry had, for instance, reported the Maria Bailey case to the guards as possible fraud they would have got laughed out it. Even claims reported in the media that are thrown out of court as fraudulent are never pursued by guards.
FrancieBrady wrote: » ? I am voting for them this time because I think the are ready to be in coalition.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » Why are people who either support SF or desperately want some sort of change so hesitant to say whether they would like to see them in Government?
McMurphy wrote: » I have to admit to getting a good belly laugh at this reworking of FGs anti SF tweet.https://twitter.com/glennthefitz/status/1223527812260356096?s=19
SafeSurfer wrote: » It’s not me who is being dogmatic. It’s the leaders of the two main parties.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Sinn Fein will not have a majority government within a decade. More delusion.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Alternatively FF and gene pool FF independents could reach 60 seats. Meaning potential government formation with FF/Green/Labour/Independent coalition One thing is for certain. Anyone who thinks Sinn Fein are going to be in the next government are deluded.
SafeSurfer wrote: It’s not me who is being dogmatic. It’s the leaders of the two main parties. That SF supporters think they don’t really mean it is delusional.
FrancieBrady wrote: » We are discussing polls SS. Always to be taken with caution. Are you not the guy/gal being dogmatic here about what might happen?
Fann Linn wrote: » And MM might have to do an Arlene Foster and talk with SF.
SafeSurfer wrote: » One online poll showing SF at 21% and some if their supporters are losing the run of themselves. A proper Millward Brown poll before the 2016 election had them on 21% and they ended up getting 13.8%. I wouldn’t be doing a Neil Kinnock on it and telling your candidates to go home to your constituencies and prepare for government. Don’t put the socialist champagne on ice just yet.
FrancieBrady wrote: » That is just a pre-election position. There will be considerations to be made depending on their final vote. My point is, if they jump into a coalition just to get the comfy seats again then that 'consideration' will be seen and punished. If SF take the lead or draw level in the polls, all that goes out the window as a position. Certainly in FF. I am far from convinced that there will not be a revolt within FF. You could see it emerge this week even if it looks like SF are going to eclipse FG.
SafeSurfer wrote: » There are two flaws in your analysis. The first is that both Labour and the Greens have expressed their willingness to enter coalition. The second is that SF are not being locked out of government out of spite and old animosity. The main parties are not willing to coalesce with them because their policies are completely non compatible, their leadership organization structure is questionable and any party that entered coalition with them would face a grassroots revolt, such is the level of their toxicity.
SafeSurfer wrote: » There are two flaws in your analysis. The first is that both Labour and the Greens have expressed their willingness to enter coalition.
The second is that SF are not being locked out of government out of spite and old animosity. The main parties are not willing to coalesce with them because their policies are completely non compatible, their leadership organization structure is questionable and any party that entered coalition with them would face a grassroots revolt, such is the level of their toxicity.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I think Labour and the Greens would have to hold their noses too hard to do that. If it went pearshaped, 2 questions 1. Who would benefit next time out. 2. What would happen the gains Labour and the Greens have made back? Not without some pain. Also, people are not stupid, if they give SF such a strong mandate as the polls are indicating and they are locked out of government out of spite and old animosity, do you think their vote will increase or decrease next time out, when they run candidates all over the country?
biko wrote: » According to https://ireland.isidewith.com/ I have another party first and SF as second
Bishop of hope wrote: » Only one poll counts really, let's see how they fare next Saturday. I don't mean post election polls don't matter, they are a good indicator, and can cause people to change their minds. But if they end up in first or second place with no 1s in the election, then that vote will change the whole perspective of Irish politics going forward even more. I think they have achieved that to a certain extent even now.
almostover wrote: » I would hope that the mainstream parties, FF, FG, Greens and Labour will do whatever it takes to keep SF out of government in this country. The SF take on economics is one thing but their stance on the special criminal court is a step too far for me. I see Martin Ferris is stepping back which is welcome but SF have a long way to go to distance themselves for the murderous past of some of their members. Their ard comhairle setup is sinister too. I'll only vote for parties who will explicitly rule out a coalition with SF.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I meant in the polls actually. They have a week now to decide if stances are softened on what the public seem to be saying.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Probably won't happen because of the pr system, transfers will be needed big time for that to happen even if SF finished with the higher percentage of first preferences. It will be interesting to see how transfer friendly they are.
