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General Election TV debates

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Deserving of its own thread I feel, especially with FF and FG being neck and neck.
Michael Martin and Leo Varadkar about to debate now on TV3, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Likely to be a score draw but if Varadkar wobbles at any point it could send the campaign south pretty quick. TV3 reporting that they have a genuine hatred for each other so they'll have to keep emotions in check.

RTE will also be holding a Martin-Varadkar debate as well as one for all the party leaders together.

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Naggdefy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Eamon Ryan is TERRIBLE.

He is reading from a page looking down ffs.

True.

He'll get a strong vote regardless I think. The Green wave.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Strazdas wrote: »

It wouldn't be a surprise at all. He's been very steady in every debate.

He's the most capable leader.

Naggdefy

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'd mostly agree with that, although I'd probably put Leo in front outright.

Mick Barry was atrocious compared to Boyd Barrett.

Absolutely. Came across as an angry, noisey man.

Naggdefy

It reminds me of Bertie 2007.

Leo will pull out the 3rd term.

James Brown

shenanagans wrote: »

FF/FG supporters would rather a coalition between FF/FG rather than see SF in govt. It won't happen.....not of they polled 30%

Probably right. So much for 'stability'.
Wonder why they took Fianna 'had us practically eating out of bins' Fail on....

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

She's 1-18 on to top the poll in North Kildare last time I checked. FFs James Lawless her nearest rival, but still way behind.

Basically Murphy could don a pair of shades, put on some soul music and stoke up a doobie on this debate and she'd still be on a cake walk to be elected.

She is not 1/18 to top the poll, she is 1/18 to win a seat. There is a difference. Those odds are based on her perceived ability to pick up preferences. Even if she finishes fifth on first preferences, Paddy Power know she will get the seat.

She was awful for the bit I saw tonight, wonder what her odds will be tomorrow.

Whelo79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

1. Leo and MLM tied
2. Brendan Howlin
3. Eamonn Ryan
4. Catherine Murphy
5. Michael Martin
6. Mick Barry

Had to have a long think about the last two...Martin really really is in trouble, his desire to lash out at SF is ruining his campaign. I could see Leo pulling this out of the fire yet.

I'd probably agree with that too. MM really coming off as a bit desperate and tired with all these repeated attacks towards ML and SF.

easypazz

MM gone from 1/9 to 1/6 with Paddy Power.

Id say he wishes the election was tomorrow.

Daddy drove a bus is not resonating with the voters.

leahyl

Michael “I didn’t interrupt you” Martin :-P

Utopia Parkway

Leo has generally been very composed in the debates. Not really getting involved in any slanging matches. Meehawl in comparison is coming across a bit ratty at times with his constant digs at the shinners. Mary Lou is well able for him to be fair to her.

Will it make any difference on polling day, who knows?

Fann Linn

Naggdefy wrote: »

It reminds me of Bertie 2007.

Leo will pull out the 3rd term.

Can't see it myself, housing and health too big an issue and Murphy and Harris both clowns.

Mantis Toboggan

Reality is FF are as bad as FG, Stockholm syndrome has well set in with the Irish public and as bad as they are people will still vote one of them in.

easypazz

Fann Linn wrote: »

Can't see it myself, housing and health too big an issue and Murphy and Harris both clowns.

Murphy and Harris have been disappeared the last few weeks.

SF / IRA couldnt disappear somebody as clinically.

blackcard

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Leo has generally been very composed in the debates. Not really getting involved in any slanging matches. Meehawl in comparison is coming across a bit ratty at times with his constant digs at the shinners. Mary Lou is well able for him to be fair to her.

Will it make any difference on polling day, who knows?

Hard to know if anyone will change their mind, a lot of political anorak watching

Polar101

Good to hear MaryLou has visited peoples' cold houses and listened to them complain, but "please give us a chance?" isn't the most convincing argument I've heard.

Fann Linn

Polar101 wrote: »

Good to hear MaryLou has visited peoples' cold houses and listened to them complain, but "please give us a chance?" isn't the most convincing argument I've heard.

She's still registering positive according to the panel as opposed to MM.

Millionaire only not

super_furry wrote: »

Well the one thing that this debate has convinced me of is that Ivan Yates is a prick.

I actually never realised till tonight how bad Ivan and matt actually are !

Fann Linn

Alison O Connor spot on. Drug test a moderator.

Naggdefy

Millionaire only not wrote: »

I actually never realised till tonight how bad Ivan and matt actually are !

Overly aggressive nobodies.

shenanagans

Millionaire only not wrote: »

I actually never realised till tonight how bad Ivan and matt actually are !

Ivan and Matt getting slated now. They were poor for the first 30 minutes.

shenanagans

Fann Linn wrote: »

Alison O Connor spot on. Drug test a moderator.

Ya. Fair play to her.

dublinman1990

Merciful lord. Alison O'Connor's jacket is a bit too pink for my liking.

It's overpowering with the red screen in the background & lighting.

cannotlogin

Fair play to Alison O'Connor for calling out the nonsense from Ivan Yates. Much respect for the fact she didn't ignore it like the rest of the panel.

Edgware

Fann Linn wrote: »

Can't see it myself, housing and health too big an issue and Murphy and Harris both clowns.

Where have they hid Harris?
If he is as good as they say why isn't he out fighting his corner?
Probably hiding away with Murphy

gmisk

Edgware wrote: »

Where have they hid Harris?
If he is as good as they say why isn't he out fighting his corner?
Probably hiding away with Murphy

They have Catherine Noone for company now at least

Naggdefy

Back around 1994 Ivan Yates looked like the heir apparent in FG. It all fell apart for him in business etc.

Is he back in the bookey business?

shenanagans

There was no major damage to LV or MM tonight and no stand out performance from the lefties. So the debate had no real impact for me.

Leo has changed over the last week.....all the criticism of his lack of humanity seems to be finally sinking in. But will people buy the new Leo?

MM wasn't good tonight....

Mortelaro

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'd mostly agree with that, although I'd probably put Leo in front outright.

Not the consensus of the media bubble after show panel

piplip87

Leo won that one. Had good answers, was not afraid to admit he was wrong. Came across quite well.

Mary Lou a distant second. Was caught out again by the banks even though it was fact checked and it came back as a false claim. Wasn't pulled by Yates or Cooper on the houses costing 130,000 ?

MM I don't know what he is trying but it isn't working. Now a reminder ever now and then about SF/IRA role in the North is welcome, he didn't have much else. Should have went into more depth about National Treatment Purchase Plan and the results it delivered pre crash.

Howlin still haven't forgiven him for the first debate and his rambling rant stopped a good debate between the three above.

Barry ? NO SQUARE ENVELOPES FOR ME, UNLESS THERE MADE BY A STATE RUN COMPANY, APPROVED BY A WORKERS COUNCIL AMD FREE FOR EVERYONE.

RYAN Yes did well but everybody else is on the environment hype train at this stage.

SHORTHALL- Did well but needs more policy that's not already taken by the big three

gmisk

piplip87 wrote: »

Leo won that one. Had good answers, was not afraid to admit he was wrong. Came across quite well.

Mary Lou a distant second. Was caught out again by the banks even though it was fact checked and it came back as a false claim. Wasn't pulled by Yates or Cooper on the houses costing 130,000 ?

MM I don't know what he is trying but it isn't working. Now a reminder ever now and then about SF/IRA role in the North is welcome, he didn't have much else. Should have went into more depth about National Treatment Purchase Plan and the results it delivered pre crash.

Howlin still haven't forgiven him for the first debate and his rambling rant stopped a good debate between the three above.

Barry ? NO SQUARE ENVELOPES FOR ME, UNLESS THERE MADE BY A STATE RUN COMPANY, APPROVED BY A WORKERS COUNCIL AMD FREE FOR EVERYONE.

RYAN Yes did well but everybody else is on the environment hype train at this stage.

SHORTHALL- Did well but needs more policy that's not already taken by the big three

Shorthall did well considering she wasn't at the debate

But agree broadly with the rest