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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Producer Ben

Looking forward to Cotton Ball opening their brew bar on McCurtain St too. Can't be that far away.

Justin Credible Darts

Producer Ben wrote: »

Looking forward to Cotton Ball opening their brew bar on McCurtain St too. Can't be that far away.

I take it that it will be in Thompson house ,jack owned that building

BullBlackNova

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/corks-iconic-thompsons-bakery-to-rise-again-in-different-guise-978546.html

Article today on the Examiner about Thomspons - mentions Cotton Ball open by April.

D'Agger

namloc1980 wrote: »

Definitely. MacCurtain Street has a good vibe especially towards the Bridge Street end but it's badly let down by the streetscape dominated by cars and narrow footpaths.

Will making it two way have an impact on this? They could remove parking / Bus lane and widen the footpaths with cut-ins for the bus perhaps, unlikely but the big problem with that street is people chucking their cars into the bus lane.

hans aus dtschl

D'Agger wrote: »

Will making it two way have an impact on this? They could remove parking / Bus lane and widen the footpaths with cut-ins for the bus perhaps, unlikely but the big problem with that street is people chucking their cars into the bus lane.

I believe that a re-work of McCurtain street is the plan:
2-way, with a tram line, no/minimal parking, wider footpaths and a primary cycle route.

Doubtful if I'll see much/any of it in my lifetime!

rahmalec

Also need a loading bay for the everyman

ScrubsfanChris

Video was actually done just before Christmas but only posted recently: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jcd-group_acityrising-anewkindofworkday-activity-6623535648819171330-a-xH

Note: Linkedin's video player is pants

rounders

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Video was actually done just before Christmas but only posted recently: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jcd-group_acityrising-anewkindofworkday-activity-6623535648819171330-a-xH

Note: Linkedin's video player is pants

Their Linkedin page is very active. Posting content regular about PD which leads me to assume they are struggling to drum up business for the offices

Captainsatnav

New social media video from Cork Chamber on their election manifesto and top priorities for incoming government is very positive. Give credit to Cork Chamber - their message has been consistent over the past couple of years - sustainable, environmentally sound, dense, centrally located brown field development public transport (including National Transport Authority office in Cork to prove CMATS wasn't a waste of paper it was printed on as usual) and quality of life investment. Government really need to step up and match it's waffle with action.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/corkchamber_ge2020-ge2020-activity-6628034652374388737-fpLi

D'Agger

Particularly liked the call out of the NTA to setup in Cork and literally see what they're dealing with

Italix

BullBlackNova wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/corks-iconic-thompsons-bakery-to-rise-again-in-different-guise-978546.html

Article today on the Examiner about Thomspons - mentions Cotton Ball open by April.

I heard they haven't got a full license for alcohol, it can only be sold with food.

questionmark?

Italix wrote: »

I heard they haven't got a full license for alcohol, it can only be sold with food.

Out of interest what's your source? Official or word of mouth?

Italix

questionmark? wrote: »

Out of interest what's your source? Official or word of mouth?

An employee, it doesn't make sense to me but that's what I was told.

questionmark?

Italix wrote: »

I heard they haven't got a full license for alcohol, it can only be sold with food.

A Micro-brewery where you can't stop off to just have a drink is an unusual concept if it turns out to be true.

bingo9999

Strange. That would make sense for the Glass Curtain, but if thats for the brewery its a disaster for them

the beer revolu

Bierhalle (next door to The Bierhaus, now Mirch Massala ) had the same problem.
I think the original idea was a bar that served food but the licencing situation meant that alcohol could only be served with food - something about half the turnover being food, too.

I assumed that Thompson's would have a full bar licence.

lisasimpson

questionmark? wrote: »

A Micro-brewery where you can't stop off to just have a drink is an unusual concept if it turns out to be true.

Not in Ireland. Law only changed in the last couple of years. Think up until recently you couldnt pop into the local brewery to get a few bottles or hampers at christmas. New law changed it a bit and mirco breweries can sell you drink directly if you do a tour.

the beer revolu

lisasimpson wrote: »

Not in Ireland. Law only changed in the last couple of years. Think up until recently you couldnt pop into the local brewery to get a few bottles or hampers at christmas. New law changed it a bit and mirco breweries can sell you drink directly if you do a tour.

That requires a new kind of licence. You have to go to court for it.
It applies to micro breweries and distilleries.
Any other liquor licence associated with the premises is extinguished (apart from manufacturing licence).
So, if they went down that route, they could only sell what they make on site, could only serve people with a ticket for a tour and could not serve after 19.00.

Not great for a restaurant.

marno21

According to SSC there's been site engineers out and about around the Prism over the last few days. Anyone spotted them?

WoolyJumper

marno21 wrote: »

According to SSC there's been site engineers out and about around the Prism over the last few days. Anyone spotted them?

Saw a group of lads in high vis standing around that area yesterday morning. Can't say for certain it was related

opus

WoolyJumper wrote: »

Saw a group of lads in high vis standing around that area yesterday morning. Can't say for certain it was related

I went past it today coming up to lunchtime couldn't see any action outside & the access gate facing towards the bus station was locked up.

[Deleted User]

opus wrote: »

I went past it today coming up to lunchtime couldn't see any action outside & the access gate facing towards the bus station was locked up.

Really hope this starts soon, need some of these plans to get going

Flesh Gorden

Groundwork/clearing seems to have resumed on the Dunkettle site.

Passed there twice today by the old Hotel Ibis/Gaelscoil and could see men on site and some extra clearing of trees beside the road.

opus

Looks tailor made for another office development site is there's still room for more.

Sale of farm supplies shop may lead to Cork City’s next major development

SleetAndSnow

Are we really oversaturing offices in cork now though? Friend works in clearstream in NSQ1 and said above him is still.empty, the new block they are building is empty and the 3rd one is empty

who_me

At the moment, probably. You'd imagine that unless there's some serious work done by the IDA (City Council? Chamber of Commerce?) in order to promote outside investment, most of the office capacity is likely to be Cork based businesses shuffling around the city.

Considering you have 2 office blocks at Penrose Dock to come, 2 at Penrose Quay, 3 at Horgan's Quay, the Prism, the office blocks in the Beamish Quarter....

And it hardly needs saying again, adding on capacity for ~10,000 office workers doesn't make a whole lot of sense when there's very limited residential increases to match. The largest likely upcoming development being the Albert Quay tower, but that's still only ~500, so the overall effect will be a worsening of the housing situation.

snotboogie

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Are we really oversaturing offices in cork now though? Friend works in clearstream in NSQ1 and said above him is still.empty, the new block they are building is empty and the 3rd one is empty

I think they are still working on the second block? As far as I know there has been no work started on the third.

SleetAndSnow

snotboogie wrote: »

I think they are still working on the second block? As far as I know there has been no work started on the third.

There isn't, but if the first one isn't full and the second one has nobody going in yet then the third will more then likely be the same is what I meant by that, bad grammar haha.

I'm not saying they shouldn't build it, it's brilliant to see all these new offices going up, much better then the run down stuff that was there. There just needs to be a real push by IDA Ireland etc as somebody said to get more business down to here instead of Dublin. Accomdation really is the blocking point though.

[Deleted User]

Does anyone have the info on when the Greens were against the height of Custom House, before they switched tack and went with the "local access" route to object?

hans aus dtschl

who_me wrote: »

At the moment, probably. You'd imagine that unless there's some serious work done by the IDA (City Council? Chamber of Commerce?) in order to promote outside investment, most of the office capacity is likely to be Cork based businesses shuffling around the city.

Considering you have 2 office blocks at Penrose Dock to come, 2 at Penrose Quay, 3 at Horgan's Quay, the Prism, the office blocks in the Beamish Quarter....

And it hardly needs saying again, adding on capacity for ~10,000 office workers doesn't make a whole lot of sense when there's very limited residential increases to match. The largest likely upcoming development being the Albert Quay tower, but that's still only ~500, so the overall effect will be a worsening of the housing situation.

Ballinglanna opens in Q1/Q2 2020, with 400 units coming on stream eventually (probably over the next two years). And another 250 ish follows after that, if Dunkettle gets done..
I'd obviously rather higher density housing developments located in the city centre, but it is technically city housing being delivered in the next few weeks. And it's obviously a flawed development design (no public transport or footpaths) but in terms of city housing delivery, it's at least a start.