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Brexit discussion thread XII (Please read OP before posting)

ancapailldorcha

This is the twelfth incarnation of our Brexit discussion thread.

I appreciate that the end of Brexit is or may be in sight (insofar as one can be certain) but please bear the following in mind before posting:

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Previous thread is here:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058016732

United Ireland thread:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058014553

Scottish Independence thread:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058023269

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ancapailldorcha

No more sniping please. Posts deleted.

eire4

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

An unexpected boost for the League of Ireland's UEFA co-efficient?

https://www.the42.ie/brexit-uk-football-clubs-4984997-Jan2020

You would imagine this would lead to players staying and starting out their careers in the league of Ireland which would be great. I hope the push for an All Ireland league is successful as well.

You have to think brexit will have other effects on the epl as well such as limits on the number of foreign players of which now players from the EU will have to be counted as foreign cutting back quite a bit you would think on the number of foreign players plying their trade in the epl.

boggerman1

Fair play to Mairéad mcguinness for her reply to Farage.hope the door doesn’t hit them too hard on their arses on the way out

CelticRambler

CelticRambler wrote: »

no British citizens can stand for (re)election or vote in the poll. That's something that'll be felt acutely in those towns and villages where the British immigrants make up a sizeable portion of the community, and are sometimes amongst the most active local politicians.

L1011 wrote: »

That's oddly strict considering we allow anyone legally resident here to vote and stand in locals.

Well, it's very strict anyway: as an EU-but-not-French citizen, I can only vote in (or stand for) the local elections and the Europeans (and the school board of governors!).

The significance, though, is that as of Sunday, where you have a village with an Irishman, a Dutchman, a German, an Italian and a Englishman in stable long-term residence, the latter now has to make a decision about whether or not they want to apply for French nationality. The others can enjoy every other benefit and advantage enjoyed by the natives without any discrimination. That's the new reality for these folks of being citizens of a "third country".

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Local Councils in France would have a lot more power though than here. So I can see the merit in its restriction.

They really don't have a lot of power anymore - not a lot more than being able to decide who collects the bins and whether or not to build a bigger shinier vanity project than the next commune along the road.

That's where the British councillors have had a positive effect: injecting a good dose of economic common-sense and creative "shopkeeper" ideas into the running of their adopted townland - with a consequent beneficial effect on the tax paid by their French neighbours.

LaChatteGitane

CelticRambler wrote: »

Well, it's very strict anyway: as an EU-but-not-French citizen, I can only vote in (or stand for) the local elections and the Europeans (and the school board of governors!).

That is the same in any EU country as far as I know.

An Ciarraioch

The UK Fisheries Bill has been published - foreign boats could still fish UK waters if they are able to obtain a licence:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/sustainable-fisheries-enshrined-in-law-as-uk-leaves-the-eu

[Deleted User]

They were interviewing unionists up North on their thoughts re Brexit and the coming “Independence Day” on Ivan Yates on Newstalk just there.

I don’t say this often but I was genuinely shocked by some of their responses. I couldn’t believe the level of defiant ignorance of the whole thing all the while glad to be leaving.

Knew it was bad but didn’t realise the brainwashing ran to this degree. I’d advise ye all to have a listen back on the website just to give an idea of the level of misinformation and indifference we’re dealing with here.

Kermit.de.frog

Batrachotox wrote: »

They were interviewing unionists up North on their thoughts re Brexit and the coming “Independence Day” on Ivan Yates on Newstalk just there.

Verhofstadt making it clear in the EU parliament today in the Brexit debate he wants full federation and an end to national vetoes.

We'll be on the way out ourselves sooner rather than later the way this is going.

EU will be a lonely place for Ireland without Britain.

First Up

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

Verhofstadt making it clear in the EU parliament today in the Brexit debate he wants full federation and an end to national vetoes.

Nothing new there. He has been advocating a federal Europe for a long time. He wrote a book about it at least 15 years ago.

If any countries want to amalgamate into a federation they can do it. Nobody will force them.

prunudo

Batrachotox wrote: »

They were interviewing unionists up North on their thoughts re Brexit and the coming “Independence Day” on Ivan Yates on Newstalk just there.

I don’t say this often but I was genuinely shocked by some of their responses. I couldn’t believe the level of defiant ignorance of the whole thing all the while glad to be leaving.

Knew it was bad but didn’t realise the brainwashing ran to this degree. I’d advise ye all to have a listen back on the website just to give an idea of the level of misinformation and indifference we’re dealing with here.

The guy who had lived in England and moved back to Belfast was very telling. All about how the EU stifled them achieving greatness and they need to put the great back into Great Britain again.
Shocking level of ignorance and lack of knowledge or care from the other interviewees too.

FrancieBrady

Batrachotox wrote: »

They were interviewing unionists up North on their thoughts re Brexit and the coming “Independence Day” on Ivan Yates on Newstalk just there.

I don’t say this often but I was genuinely shocked by some of their responses. I couldn’t believe the level of defiant ignorance of the whole thing all the while glad to be leaving.

Knew it was bad but didn’t realise the brainwashing ran to this degree. I’d advise ye all to have a listen back on the website just to give an idea of the level of misinformation and indifference we’re dealing with here.

Prepare yourself. For some of those people and their counterparts in Britain, BREXIT will never be a failure, not even if their children are starving and they are sitting in the dark.

WomanSkirtFan8

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1222562936771809280

And off they go.

Really were a circus show right until the end.

yep. Their nightmare is only beginning and they'll find that out soon enough. Good riddance.

Bit cynical

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What's the legal status of using one's passport card to travel to Britain if it hasn't got a legality as the UK will be outside of the EU/EEA? Would it be perfectly legitimate for say Ryanair to refuse to recognise it for travel to Britain?

Legally you don't need a passport (or passport card) to travel to the UK though airlines may insist upon it. Airlines are free to ask for whatever means of identification they wish. I would expect the passport card will still be acceptable as it is not about entry to the UK but about identifying yourself to the airline.

murphaph

First Up wrote: »

Nothing new there. He has been advocating a federal Europe for a long time. He wrote a book about it at least 15 years ago.

If any countries want to amalgamate into a federation they can do it. Nobody will force them.

Exactly. The closest thing to a federation of nation states is the Benelux and that's a long way from it. I am actually a fan of further integration but I don't believe it will happen anytime soon.

reslfj

Batrachotox wrote: »

They were interviewing unionists up North on their thoughts re Brexit and the coming “Independence Day” on Ivan Yates on Newstalk just there.

I’d advise ye all to have a listen back on the website just to give an idea of the level of misinformation and indifference we’re dealing with here.

Is it this?
https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/henry-mckean-on-the-hard-shoulder/britains-identity-live-identity-brexitday-belfast

Lars

Thargor

This Farage doc on Channel 4 right now is good viewing.

Frank Bullitt

reslfj wrote: »

Is it this?
https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/henry-mckean-on-the-hard-shoulder/britains-identity-live-identity-brexitday-belfast

Lars

This was a worrying listen.

Imreoir2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Verhofstadt making it clear in the EU parliament today in the Brexit debate he wants full federation and an end to national vetoes.

We'll be on the way out ourselves sooner rather than later the way this is going.

EU will be a lonely place for Ireland without Britain.

Verhofstadt is a federalist, has been for years. The EU is no more a federation now than it was when he started. Verhofstdat is only an MEP, he can't force the not at all federalist European Council to move the EU in a federalist direction.

Bit cynical

Leroy42 wrote: »

But that brings us straight back to what Brexit actually means. Johnson hasn't got a clue, he is all for both a No deal and getting swift deal. Which version of his truth you choose to believe will lead to your version of Brexit.

A swift deal preferably. No deal if necessary. This would be my interpretation. The actual outcome, of course, depends on negotiations.

Obviously we here in Ireland would be strongly hoping for some sort of deal rather than no deal.

Thargor

Thargor wrote: »

This Farage doc on Channel 4 right now is good viewing.

Jesus that exit poll was some shock when it came wasn't it? I remember Alastair Campbells mouth hanging open on RTE. Corbyn is such a disaster.

Imreoir2

Bit cynical wrote: »

A swift deal preferably. No deal if necessary. This would be my interpretation. The actual outcome, of course, depends on negotiations.

Obviously we here in Ireland would be strongly hoping for some sort of deal rather than no deal.

A swift deal is very unlikely unless the UK quickly capitulates on every substantive point. Assuming the UK does not opt to quickly capitulate, it's either an extention or no-deal.

We certainly do not want no deal, but that does not mean we will be rushed into accepting an unduely advantagous deal for the UK through fear. No deal would be far worse for the UK than us and they have far more to fear than we do.

Strazdas

Interesting stats from bild.de

In the wake of Brexit, German exports to the UK fell significantly. From January to November 2019, German companies exported goods worth 73.6 billion euros to Great Britain - three billion euros or four percent less than in the same period last year, according to figures from the German Chamber of Commerce and Industry (DIHK).

"The UK's exit from the EU is a historic turning point for German companies," said DIHK President Eric Schweitzer.

"The transition phase until the end of the year will reduce the pressure somewhat for German companies, but the economic upheavals are already visible today." In the past three years, Great Britain has slipped from fifth to seventh place in Germany's most important trading partners. Exports, in particular, saw a significant decline of minus 6 percent during this period.

One can only imagine what the drops will be like if the trading barriers become much worse (decrease in exports rapidly accelerated in 2019 compared to 2017 and 2018).

beggars_bush

Anyone taking bets on how long it will be until they reapply for membership?

Or will they just blame the EU for everything from now on?

theballz

beggars_bush wrote: »

Anyone taking bets on how long it will be until they reapply for membership?

Or will they just blame the EU for everything from now on?

They won’t reapply ever.

timetogo1

beggars_bush wrote: »

Anyone taking bets on how long it will be until they reapply for membership?

Or will they just blame the EU for everything from now on?

It will have to be at least a generation. Their incompetence and negligence displayed over the last 3 years is not something that'll be welcomed back into the EU too easily and I'm sure some countries would object.

Bit cynical

Imreoir2 wrote: »

No deal would be far worse for the UK than us and they have far more to fear than we do.

I don't think the economic forecasts bear that out. Yes the UK will do worse but some of the forecasts suggest Ireland will only be slightly better off than the UK. Our ESRI was one of the earlier bodies making such a forecast.

Bit cynical

beggars_bush wrote: »

Anyone taking bets on how long it will be until they reapply for membership?

Or will they just blame the EU for everything from now on?

I don't think they will blame the EU for everything and nor do I think they will reapply soon after leaving for membership. The EU will simply fade from the agenda. The Daily Mail will find some other target.

ThePanjandrum

timetogo1 wrote: »

It will have to be at least a generation. Their incompetence and negligence displayed over the last 3 years is not something that'll be welcomed back into the EU too easily and I'm sure some countries would object.

How long before the Republic applies to become a member of the UK again? The answers are probably very similar.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/BillyKelleherEU/status/1222637266528620549

This is confusing to me. Tony Connelly has been nothing short of amazing during all of this charade, yet this MEP takes aim at RTE's coverage (most of which has been by Tony himself).

What planet is he on?

ThePanjandrum

First Up wrote: »

Nothing new there. He has been advocating a federal Europe for a long time. He wrote a book about it at least 15 years ago.

If any countries want to amalgamate into a federation they can do it. Nobody will force them.

Why won't they force them? The EU can use its existing competences or develop new ones to prevent countries making decisions for themselves. The EU also decides the content of legislation brought forward to the Parliament and if all else fails there can be new amendment Treaties (or Agreements as they are sometimes called).

Harmonisation of tax legislation? Why not?