JohnnyFlash wrote: » It is unusual that passionate defenders of SF on sites like here, politics.ie, the journal, twitter nearly all seem to be people who never voted for them before but intend to do so this time. Mighty strange, but I suppose it’s plausible.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Did you look at the byline date?
While this pledge will of necessity vary for each election it will incorporate the following terms:
FrancieBrady wrote: » Did you read it? It applies into the future for all elections.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Lol, did it take you all day until now to find that, you must have done some trolling the archives to find it.
Edgware wrote: » The " I'm not a S.F. supporter but" gang
JohnnyFlash wrote: » There’s a very good chance you’ll see them in Government after this election. Time for them to shït or get off the pot, and they are losing some of their more sinister representatives- Adams and Ferris for example, so they’ll be slightly more attractive to FF members.
Matt Barrett wrote: » I think most of us here on boards are pretty honest if asked. Even some FG'ers
machaseh wrote: » Sadly I don't have voter rights in Ireland as I am Dutch, but I would 100% vote for sinn fein. Better social policies More attention for the environment More investment in public transportation More taxation of major corporations More focus on reuniting Ireland and getting rid of Brits More focus on the Irish language. Sadly I'll never see Sinn Féin in power as long as I live here, if it would ever happen I'd probably already be long gone.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Aren't the Dutch orangemen?
ELM327 wrote: » My issue with SF is not due to the provo days, it's their socialist nonsense.
maccored wrote: » The argument must be weak when your so willing to take a dig at a poster.
maccored wrote: » did a six year old get into the thread?
maccored wrote: » It gives blanch the chance though to talk about the party that he loves to hate.
maccored wrote: » why? too afraid of what you might find?
maccored wrote: » waffling on about the past and you cant seem to admit that you don't have a point.
road_high wrote: » Same. Shocking irresponsible Marxist dogma. Crazy stuff altogether that our left wing media lap up
smurgen wrote: » Marxist dogma hahaha. Was it Marxist dogma when finna fail bailed out the banks nationalising the debt? Or when fg continued to bail out junior bond holders? A decision so off the wall we now cannot afford to invest in key infrastructure.
RandomName2 wrote: » Taken straight from their website: We will stop the pension age increase to 67 and return it to 65. We will take 1 million workers out of the USC by abolishing the USC on the first €30,000 you earn. We will reduce the cost of childcare by an average of €500 per child per month. We will extend paid maternity leave to 52 weeks and increase maternity benefit by €50. We will abolish the property tax. We will build 100,000 homes over 5 years. Our manifesto has been costed by the relevant government departments and is affordable and can be delivered. There will be no borrowing necessary. In fact we will run surpluses and have a surplus of more than €3bn in 2025. All taxpayers who earn under €100,000 will see a decrease in their tax of up to €700 a year.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Sounds like a move in the right direction. Thanks for posting.
johnmcdnl wrote: » I'd love all these things too. It's just that SFs mannifesto doesn't mention where the money for all these initatives will come from. If you spend 5 mins flicking through their manifesto they just released you'll see roughly 110 pages worth of tax cuts and social improvements. The only way to fund these changes are by increasing taxes on people over 140k, and extra taxes on REITs, and increasing taxes on corporations as a whole. I'm not even sure the numbers balance out, but lets give them the benefit of the doubt that they do. That will mean our entire taxes are essentially funded by a tiny number of small corporations, REITs etc, and large businesses and rich folk. If any of those large corporations or rich people leave Ireland we will be absolutely screwed because our tax base will be so reliant on them. Now lets say we go with this plan, imagine also how much leverage that would give the rich and large corporations if they realise that if they leave they'll crash the Irish economy. How much political leverage will that give them? It's wonderful all the things that SF promise us, I'll be the first to admit that. I'm just not convinced in any way shape or form that how it will be funded is even realistic, and even if it is, whether that's better for us, as if anything happens to the tiny % that will pay all the taxes, how that'll impact us all. Now lets imagine we give SF a chance with their policies - and it turns out their numbers don't add up and we are hemorrhaging money, and international businesses and corporations have been driven out due to these policies. Is there any hope we'll ever bring them back? As much as we might dislike the corporations they do provide a massive number of jobs and account for a huge segment of our economy. How will we try to recover from the damage that is done if they are no longer here or have massively reduced their presence? That could be potentially one hell of a problem that I hope we don't ever have to face, and really don't want to gamble with the possibility of it happening either.
Skylinehead wrote: » Question about the manifesto: SF claim they will build 100,000 houses, at a cost of €6.5 billion. Am I missing something? There's no way you can build a house for 65 grand.
baldbear wrote: » This is top quality auction politics. We have kids in crèche and know a statement like reducing childcare by €500 per child is complete bs.
RandomName2 wrote: » So I've looked up where they intend to get all the money to pay for their giveaway budget. The two most significant items are: Tax intangible assets onshored by multinationals - €722 million Increase Stamp Duty on commercial property to 10% while retaining reliefs for farmers - €376m And the rest is essentially from raising the tax rate from 40% to 45% (and removing tax credits) on everyone earning more than 100K (about 14% of the population).Not only does that not seem any way close to covering the vast spending and cuts proposed, but a more robust discussion on the implications of those policies I think is merited.
efanton wrote: » they are not proposing spending cuts, where did you get that idea?
RandomName2 wrote: » It's wonderful stuff right? Personally I think they are doing themselves a disservice when they say they'll only have a surplus of €3 billion in 2025. That's a pessimistic outlook. More realistically we are talking about a surplus of €10-20 billion.
Blazer wrote: » Well if the option is to do it or get kneecapped I imagine the devs will go for the wise option
