People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I wasn’t talking about you. Don’t even know who you are to be perfectly honest.

that doesnt worry me. Just pointing out your point was rubbish.

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Spoke on this elsewhere. Labour and Fine Gael do the same thing. I would imagine FF are no different.
The party HQ make policy not lone candidates.

Eh no, the parliamentary party has the primary role in most parties. In Sinn Fein, they never meet without the unelected parliamentary assistants having an equal role.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I wasn’t talking about you. Don’t even know who you are to be perfectly honest.

If it was me you were referring to. I am not a member.
I'll never be a signed up member of any political party.

Bishop of hope

maccored wrote: »

I can only speak for myself - a SF member who has voted many times for them. Sorry to burst your little bubble there.

I'm not a bit interested really, I've voted for them in locals myself, just last election even, for a neighbour who ran for them, he didn't get in though, which is a shame, he's a good local activist.

maccored wrote: »

I can only speak for myself - a SF member who has voted many times for them. Sorry to burst your little bubble there.

I wasn’t talking about you. Don’t even know who you are to be perfectly honest.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It is unusual that passionate defenders of SF on sites like here, politics.ie, the journal, twitter nearly all seem to be people who never voted for them before but intend to do so this time.

Mighty strange, but I suppose it’s plausible.

I can only speak for myself - a SF member who has voted many times for them. Sorry to burst your little bubble there.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Are you a SF member Matt?

No. I do give them a vote from time to time. I read the piece, reminiscent of when I was a Labour party member. Also I know the local FG TD so I know they're at it. Herself flip flopping on two key issues she ran on because FG HQ said so.

Don't confuse calling out FF/FG bullhockey for supporting 'the other team'

You in FF/FG?

maccored wrote: »

The argument must be weak when your so willing to take a dig at a poster.

It is unusual that passionate defenders of SF on sites like here, politics.ie, the journal, twitter nearly all seem to be people who never voted for them before but intend to do so this time.

Mighty strange, but I suppose it’s plausible.

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

As weak as Adams’ “I was never a member of the IRA” argument?

As weak as the whataboutery you're delivering

Bishop of hope

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Spoke on this elsewhere. Labour and Fine Gael do the same thing. I would imagine FF are no different.
The party HQ make policy not lone candidates.

Are you a SF member Matt?

EmmetSpiceland

maccored wrote: »

The argument must be weak when your so willing to take a dig at a poster.

As weak as Adams’ “I was never a member of the IRA” argument?

machaseh wrote: »

Sadly I don't have voter rights in Ireland as I am Dutch, but I would 100% vote for sinn fein.

Better social policies
More attention for the environment
More investment in public transportation
More taxation of major corporations
More focus on reuniting Ireland and getting rid of Brits
More focus on the Irish language.

Sadly I'll never see Sinn Féin in power as long as I live here, if it would ever happen I'd probably already be long gone.

There’s a very good chance you’ll see them in Government after this election. Time for them to shït or get off the pot, and they are losing some of their more sinister representatives- Adams and Ferris for example, so they’ll be slightly more attractive to FF members.

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

That’s right, it’s 100% you defend of what SF say.

And to say you’ve never voted SF in a “general election” is a simply laughable.

Now, I’ll withdraw that remark if this is the first election you’ll be eligible to vote in but you’ve been “shilling” the party for as long as I’ve been on this site.

The argument must be weak when your so willing to take a dig at a poster.

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

That’s right, it’s 100% you defend of what SF say.

And to say you’ve never voted SF in a “general election” is a simply laughable.

Now, I’ll withdraw that remark if this is the first election you’ll be eligible to vote in but you’ve been “shilling” the party for as long as I’ve been on this site.

Only on some topics.

I am in my mid 50's and never missed an election/ref in this country. This is my first time voting for SF in a GE, believe it or believe it not.

EmmetSpiceland

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Saying that I 'defend 99% of what SF say and do' is a lie.

You can sprinkle sugar on it all you want, to me it is a downright lie.

That’s right, it’s 100% you defend of what SF say.

And to say you’ve never voted SF in a “general election” is a simply laughable.

Now, I’ll withdraw that remark if this is the first election you’ll be eligible to vote in but you’ve been “shilling” the party for as long as I’ve been on this site.

machaseh

Sadly I don't have voter rights in Ireland as I am Dutch, but I would 100% vote for sinn fein.

Better social policies
More attention for the environment
More investment in public transportation
More taxation of major corporations
More focus on reuniting Ireland and getting rid of Brits
More focus on the Irish language.

Sadly I'll never see Sinn Féin in power as long as I live here, if it would ever happen I'd probably already be long gone.

marieholmfan wrote: »

Well Francie - I think that's unfair to Blanch - you may be above it but we all call each other fenians, west brits , neo unionists, provies, RA heads, blueshirts etc.

It seems to me that in our little bubble its worse to call someone a liar than a provo or a blueshirt; even if what they are saying is not in fact true.

Saying that I 'defend 99% of what SF say and do' is a lie.

You can sprinkle sugar on it all you want, to me it is a downright lie.

mynamejeff wrote: »

shinners taking a pounding here ,

reckon they will try to get the thread shut down asap :-)

did a six year old get into the thread?

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A rare insight in to the real SF here from a former party member and TD.
I think this confirms what a lot of people would have thought.
If true this could do SF some harm, be interesting to see if this gains any traction, it would certainly stop me if I had any intention of voting SF.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/sinn-fein-tds-have-zero-influence-and-policies-are-handed-down-says-toibin-38901964.html

Spoke on this elsewhere. Labour and Fine Gael do the same thing. I would imagine FF are no different.
The party HQ make policy not lone candidates.

James Brown

facehugger99 wrote: »

It'd be almost worth SF getting into power just to see the confused look on their acolytes faces as they wonder where all their free money is.

Almost.

Just think of the money they'll save not doing wasteful projects and gain by taxing vulture funds.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I consider it lying, thank you very much.

Well Francie - I think that's unfair to Blanch - you may be above it but we all call each other fenians, west brits , neo unionists, provies, RA heads, blueshirts etc.

It seems to me that in our little bubble its worse to call someone a liar than a provo or a blueshirt; even if what they are saying is not in fact true.

marieholmfan wrote: »

It's not a lie it's just an exaggeration.

I consider it lying, thank you very much.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't ask him/her to 'move on', I asked him/her to stop lying about me ..again.

It's not a lie it's just an exaggeration.

marieholmfan wrote: »

Listen Francie you should just accept that Blanch hates Sinn Fein because of the IRA; she has every right to do so, people don't have to 'move on' and some people would say that it is a kind of moral nihilism to ask them to.

What's the point in this fruitless discussion.

I didn't ask him/her to 'move on', I asked him/her to stop lying about me ..again.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sigh, this one again.

You will find no defence by me of SF economic policy on these boards. Economic policy kinda amounts to more than 1% of what a party says or does. I also never defended their stance on other social policy nor on their reasons for staying out of government.

You love this 'bot hunter' role you have appointed yourself to, but please tell the truth.

Listen Francie you should just accept that Blanch hates Sinn Fein because of the IRA; she has every right to do so, people don't have to 'move on' and some people would say that it is a kind of moral nihilism to ask them to.

What's the point in this fruitless discussion.

marieholmfan wrote: »

bit like Shergar

I'm sure that poor auld nag will get a run out yet!

blanch152 wrote: »

To be fair to Francie, he has consistently maintained a view of 99% defence of everything that Sinn Fein do and say, without ever voting for them.

Sigh, this one again.

You will find no defence by me of SF economic policy on these boards. Economic policy kinda amounts to more than 1% of what a party says or does. I also never defended their stance on other social policy nor on their reasons for staying out of government.

You love this 'bot hunter' role you have appointed yourself to, but please tell the truth.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It no longer works Phoebas. Keep flogging that horse, it isn't getting up.

bit like Shergar

blanch152

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Will this election be your first time voting for SF, Francis?

To be fair to Francie, he has consistently maintained a view of 99% defence of everything that Sinn Fein do and say, without ever voting for them.

I haven't seen them yet, but we usually get a crop of posters telling us every election time that they have voted for FF and FG since the year dot but are now getting around to voting for SF for the first time because of the mess that FF and FG have made.

There was one the last time out (can't remember his name) who was claiming to have voted in three previous elections, yet had been posting in the Leaving Cert forum the previous year. There was another one called For Reals - he even became a mod in the old Cafe for a while, that welcome thread made for hilarious reading - who was full of conspiracy theories of government pay-offs etc. and so obviously making it up about past and future political allegiance that he couldn't be taken seriously. He must have posted about 40 times about how he had always voted for FF and FG yet was now being forced to consider SF yet you couldn't find a single time he had ever said anything positive about either party. He's probably off somewhere like reddit or politics.ie this time around peddling the same fantasy.