dundalkfc10 wrote: » Eoin O’Duffy, co-founder of Fine Gael, sent troops to the Spanish Civil war to fight on the same side as Nazis and wanted to send troops to fight alongside the nazis against the Soviet Union but people won’t vote Sinn Féin because of their history?
mossie wrote: » Just on this O'Duffy left Fine Gael in September 1934, Spanish civil war was 1936-39, WW2 1939-45. He had no association with Fine Gael at the time of either conflict.
ricero wrote: » Just had a Finna Fail canvessar at my door. He nearly had a heart attack when i told him i was voting Sinn Fein and that his party destroyed most hope and aspirations for my generation (18-35).
Snow Garden wrote: » At the same time I am always puzzled with how much FFG supporters attack SF with every opportunity. They really fear them. The usual suspects are falling over themselves on Boards to continually highlight their IRA links. It's a bit creepy to be honest. I doubt any one of them have any real empathy for victims like Jean McConville. In more recent times I will always recall that it was FFG governments that continually ignored massive Garda corruption and tried to bury honest men like Maurice McCabe. As I keep saying, FF and FG need to merge. SF would remain a smaller fringe party and maybe we could get some more viable alternative parties to emerge.
Hamsterchops wrote: » This is the problem with all Sinn Fein threads..... Unsavoury baggage & all that goes with it, from the PIRA being the enemy of this State to being the enemy of the vast majority of the people of NI, to being the enemy of the people of Great Britain .... and yet you get the PIRA fan boys on here justifying their own brand of terrorism "call it a war" then you can kill who you like (Warrington) raid as many post offices, do loads of Bank jobs, kidnappings, disappearances + kill a few Garda too, all with impunity. This is the underlying problem with SF and their supporters who have their own take on history, and their own corrupt & twisted version of events, in a universe where Seamus Mallon & the SDLP accounted for nothing while Gerry & the boys were the heroes of the AK-47 & Semtex :mad: For the day that's in it, and the of memory of Seamus Mallon, I really hope Sinn Fein lose lots of seats in this election.
endainoz wrote: » Cash for ash caused Stormont to fall, have had an abstentionist policy for over 100 years, their voters know that. Economic policy is always the go to one here, would it be any worse than austerity?
piplip87 wrote: » Good article by Maria Cahill. Although I would expect not one Shunner to actually constructively take the article apart and give valid reasons as to why it's wrong. Remember the email from HQ guys..... 1) Don't bother with the facts just attack the person and scream anti media bias
Whelo79 wrote: » Link?
frillyleaf wrote: » I’ve heard people saying multiple times that they like certain SF candidates but they won’t vote for them as they are Sinn Fein. Trying to understand why there is such opposite to Sinn Fein? Have looked up online but not getting good info. Surely if someone likes a candidate and what they stand for they should vote for them? Please explain
Del.Monte wrote: » I'm sure that this has probably been posted already but I haven't the stomach to read through pages of ****e from SF apologists to check. Below is why I and thousands from my tribe will never vote SF - they haven't gone away you know.
joe40 wrote: » You're like the English football fans still going on about the second world war. Things move on. FF and FG were involved in bloody conflict including civil war. The rose tinted glasses don't see that far back.
piplip87 wrote: » Apologieshttps://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/mairia-cahill-want-to-see-what-sf-would-do-look-north-38895734.html
woohoo!!! wrote: » SF are going to hoover up a lot of the centre left vote because that is what their policies reflect, a standard position by european social democrat norms. GFA was over 20 years ago, former IRA people are dead or retiring, and in my view this reason not to vote for them just does not stack up anymore. What people remember is the recent past. They're not happy with FG and their efforts of the past 9 years. FF wrecked the place before that, and they've a large very conservative rump. Labour are not trusted. I'm not a SF member or anything like that, a floating voter really. SF and greens will top my voting list. RTE getting in the DUP leader during the GE campaign, is a cynical move and I don't appreciate it. Too many Of RTEs top people have family connections to FF or FG.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/sinn-f%C3%A9in-reveals-true-self-again-with-venezuela-infatuation-1.3768126 wrote: At the inquiry conducted by former judge Sir Patrick Coughlin, texts and emails from late January 2017 have emerged which show the Sinn Féin minister for finance at Stormont, Máirtín Ó Muilleoir, had to get approval for key decisions from unelected senior republican Ted Howell, a confidant of Gerry Adams. ... Despite being urged by officials to accept the curbs, Ó Muilleoir also consulted with senior former IRA members such as Padraic Wilson and Martin Lynch, who have no elected role and are largely unknown to the public.
Edgware wrote: » Vote SF or Greens. But the Greens are not in favour of dumping the remains of diesel laundering in ditches so straight away a disagreement on policy
ressem wrote: » More recent then.https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/sinn-f%C3%A9in-reveals-true-self-again-with-venezuela-infatuation-1.3768126
woohoo!!! wrote: » If you have an actual point, by all means make it.
eagle eye wrote: » A vote for a SF candidate you like is also a vote for Mary Lou and for more money for the wasters on social welfare and less for the ordinary hard working person who earns a decent wage. It's also a vote for a UI and that'll mean even less money in your pocket. Financial prudence is the reason you don't vote SF.
Edgware wrote: » O.K. Mary Lou comes out Friday praising the late Seamus Mallon. A few years ago the S.F. goons on Drogheda Council voted against Mallon getting an award for his work in the Peace Process. Hypocrisy isnt confined to FF or FG
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Rubbish that cash for ash v Irish language act is just a silly game both sides are playing in NI. It is a joke really.Also if SF did not have an abstentionist policy in Westminster they would have more votes in the ROI. Particularly in light of how they could have changed the game with Brexit. Also most SF voters demographic in the ROI at the moment are those with links to NI in the ROI - and/or the tattoo wearing working class who enjoy the mystic of being associated with the edgy mystic of SF past. But SF has tried to widen it's appeal away from this hardcore demographic, trying to get more middle class and educated people to vote for them. It is part of the reason we have seen a femininisation SF. A softer look less threatening and a move away from the beards of old. Most of the electorate in the ROI just would not trust SF in government. But SF have a definite strategy trying to make people think they are a viable alternative to FG/FF. When in reality more would vote for independents/Labour/PBP etc before SF, as SF still has that murky image. It is tarnished and sullied. It places SF in a difficult position because the more they move away from the murky past. The more they will alienate thier 'hardcore' support. Plus Mary Lou was clearly made leader to 'Southernise' the party after Gerry's departure. But then there is the problem that the electorate in NI do not identify with a Southern former FF member. Which is why they have to adopt the stronger 'republican' credentials of Michelle O'Neill in NI. Basically all this causes SF to be all over the place as they are playing too different games -in two different political landscapes. I figure SF need another 50 years of stability before those in the ROI can take them seriously without fear.
