piplip87 wrote: » Conditions of war ? Between who ? A group of thugs that had no mandate from anybody carrying out bombings on civilian targets ? Don't give me that it was war nonsense. It's was a group of thugs fighting against another group of thugs that's all it was..... What mandate did IRA/SF have ?
Matt Barrett wrote: » The next time the Queen or Boris comes over we should be sure to give out to them about the atrocities carried out in their name. And people say those not wanting a Tan commemoration have hang ups?I'm pretty sure the IRA are stood down and they signed up to some kind of peace dealy, but beats discussing the myriad national crises doesn't it?
Matt Barrett wrote: » anyone doing anything positive for the average working tax payer is being frivolous.
piplip87 wrote: » I have worked on various community projects locally with the Local SF candidate here when she was a councillor. I think she's a lovely woman, dedicated public rep buy I will not vote for her next week. Not only did she campaign for Jerry McCabes killers to be released, not only did she welcome them home as POWS, She ****ing married and had a kid with him while he was on the inside. What cheek do SF have to be asking us to elect somebody who not only condoned the murder but started a relationship with the man when he was behind bars for murdering an agent of the state. If SF gets enters government do you think the Gardai would like her as minister for Justice ? SF are not a.normal party.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Neither were FG or FF a 'normal' party at one time either. They sat opposite one another having tried to kill or wipe the other out. Look who the Gardai have now at the top of the tree? If that can happen why can't a SF minister for justice? There was nothing right or desirable about what happened during a conflict/war. There never is. I doubt very much that there is a SF rep anywhere condoning what happened to Jerry McCabe. The question is, can something be built from all that destruction of life? If you have any pride in what we achieved since independence then the answer is 'yes'.
frillyleaf wrote: » I find this hard to believe . What is the candidates name please ?
efanton wrote: » You could equally argue what mandate did the British government have being that they, the police, and the armed forces consistently operated outside the law. If a government operates outside the law it has no mandate. Would it not be possible for people to get over this tit for tat. Yes many many people were injured, killed and had their lives totally disrupted. that happened on both sides and running up a tally of who did what doesn't help any of those people whatsoever. When I hear people down here in the republic condemning SF or the actions of the Provisional IRA but yet never have lived a single day North of the border, or been North of the border frequently during the troubles, I ask them what did you do to help? The answer is usually absolutely nothing. The Irish governments were well aware of the violence, victimisation and discrimination taking place in Northern Ireland BEFORE the Provisional IRA even existed. They did nothing to help, except make sure that it remained north of the border. I knew a few people that were rounded up and imprisoned and I can categorically assure you that they had absolutely nothing to do with either side. I dont hear those crying about SF mentioning them. There were lots of innocent people affected and unfortunately we simply have to accept that, we have to accept that there has been some sort of resolution with the GFA and carry on. The best we can do is ensure that it never happens again on this Island and that those charged with responsibility of ensuring the peace process and the new devolved government with power sharing are held to account and carry out their duties, and that not only includes those parties currently in Stormont it includes our government and the British government too Calling out SF TD's that are now in the Dail for something that had nothing to do with them 30 years ago is just plain wrong. Destroy any argument they have regarding their policies. criticise their economic plans if you can find fault, criticise their actions and the action of other parties in Stormont, but reverting back to historical arguments about historical violence and events is to me not only ridiculous but wrong. The reason there was sectarian violence in northern Ireland is because people were not prepared to let go of old and established hatreds. Don't tell me we should be just the same, or that is acceptable in the Republic of Ireland in 2020.
blanch152 wrote: » There were plenty of Sinn Fein reps around to welcome Jerry McCabe's killers home and celebrate at their party. It was sickening.
As for ancient history regarding FF and FG, this isn't the 1920s, a very different time. You sound like a unionist talking about the plantations.
Matt Barrett wrote: » I'm pretty sure the IRA are stood down and they signed up to some kind of peace dealy, but beats discussing the myriad national crises doesn't it?
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » [PHP][/PHP] You are correct. Its not what SF/IRA are doing today that deters people from voting for them. Its the knoweldge that SF candidates having shown themselves are people who are murderers, terrorists, and support that kind of illegality, have shown them to be fundamentally repulsive to peace minded people, and beyond voting for as national representatives.Any SF candidate or party member is undoubtedly of despicable moral character and as someone willing to turn to violence, regardless of the law, if they themselves believe it to be OK. Anyone voting for them is equally questionable by virtue of the association.
Granny15 wrote: » I said if you come as an occupying soldier its warranted.
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » [PHP][/PHP] You are correct. Its not what SF/IRA are doing today that deters people from voting for them. Its the knoweldge that SF candidates having shown themselves are people who are murderers, terrorists, and support that kind of illegality, have shown them to be fundamentally repulsive to peace minded people, and beyond voting for as national representatives. Any SF candidate or party member is undoubtedly of despicable moral character and as someone willing to turn to violence, regardless of the law, if they themselves believe it to be OK. Anyone voting for them is equally questionable by virtue of the association.
Hamsterchops wrote: » If you read #346 you'll note that the IRA were not just the enemy of Great Britain, they were also the enemy of the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland, and finally you'll note that they were our enemy too (here in this State)! Sinn Fein have always defended the PIRA, hence why they're so toxic to so many Irish people.
I’ve always been independent. But at times I had to go against policy issues I would advocate for,” he said, stating you get to say your piece at the Cabinet table, and give your view but ultimately a decision is made by the majority.
Granny15 wrote: » Every man / nation has a right to self defense. If you find self defense morally questionable or despicable you need to have a closer look at the law. Reprisals and all sorts of injustices and crimes happen in war. Mistakes also happen. To paint yourself as a peace lover and that all violence is despicable look a bit closer at the occupier who buy, rape and kill the Irishman for centuries.
And in Sinn fein, that party decision-making is much more murky than the other parties.
Gynoid wrote: » Jean McConville.
eagle eye wrote: » A vote for a SF candidate you like is also a vote for Mary Lou and for more money for the wasters on social welfare and less for the ordinary hard working person who earns a decent wage. It's also a vote for a UI and that'll mean even less money in your pocket. Financial prudence is the reason you don't vote SF.
maccored wrote: » Policy is discussed and agreed on a party wide basis. Theres always a chance for an everyday member to have their say and yet some people don't understand that concept. That kind of talk quoted is just hilarious.
Better Than Christ wrote: » If you search the Dáil records, Jean McConville's name has come up a lot in recent years, usually reduced to little more than a cheap punchline from FG/FF/Labour TDs whenever someone from Sinn Féin criticises them on issues like health service failures, poverty, domestic violence, disability cuts, etc.
