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Election called for Saturday 8 February

Thelonious Monk

Can't see a thread on this. That's pretty soon huh? I hope people vote anything but FF/FG. Why not do something different for a change?

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Billcarson

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The poll is a total outlier. Doesn't represent the views of the nation at all.

Even Mehole Martin acknowledge that.

FG are doing well on the doorstep. Older people are happy with their performance and they are the ones who will vote in their droves.

.......and die in their droves on trolleys the way the health service is going.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Snow Garden wrote: »

Gone all day. Just home and heard about the latest poll. What was that about?
I am not sure I buy that it was all to do with the Tan celebration but I know that made a lot of people quite angry.

What this Leo say?

I think that was a blatant lie. Now is not a good time. Leo wanted a summer election but he knew he didn't have the numbers especially if Maria Bailey was rumoured to be pulling her support. Calling the election now means he has to deal with the Trolley crisis, the Tan celebration, the Homeless issues and the Crime wave.

The poll is a total outlier. Doesn't represent the views of the nation at all.

Even Mehole Martin acknowledge that.

FG are doing well on the doorstep. Older people are happy with their performance and they are the ones who will vote in their droves.

Eric Cartman

saabsaab wrote: »

I don't agree that transport needs to be first but it still needs to be done. This would be the push needed nd could part finance it . As for alternatives not available there are!

ok, somebody lives in ginnets in meath, they work in PWC on north wall quay in dublin, its a 55km commute that in a car typically takes 1.5 hours , their car uses 6l/100km of fuel so theyre using about 7 litres of fuel a day so just under a 10er in fuel , their tax and insurance costs 2.40 a day (280 tax, 650 insurance paid anually) and lets say maintenance is another euro a day , they own the car outright so theire current expenditure on commuting to and from work is :

13.50 per day, 2.5-3 hours total commute time

whats their alternative and what does it cost them in money and time ? and I mean an alternative they could do next week, like not 'in the future' stuff....

I Am The Law

Eric Cartman wrote: »

irrelivance and being run by terrorists with communist tendancies are two completely different things.

I guess those reds' are still under your bed.

Snow Garden

Gone all day. Just home and heard about the latest poll. What was that about?
I am not sure I buy that it was all to do with the Tan celebration but I know that made a lot of people quite angry.

What this Leo say?

Mr Varadkar said the election should happen at the best time for the country: “now is that time.”

I think that was a blatant lie. Now is not a good time. Leo wanted a summer election but he knew he didn't have the numbers especially if Maria Bailey was rumoured to be pulling her support. Calling the election now means he has to deal with the Trolley crisis, the Tan celebration, the Homeless issues and the Crime wave.

Billcarson

Eric Cartman wrote: »

irrelivance and being run by terrorists with communist tendancies are two completely different things.

Sure ff and fg have terrorized this country for decades with their corrupt tendencies.

saabsaab

Eric Cartman wrote: »

taxing the bad thing when alternatives arent available is a waste of time. This is the kind of thinking brought out by parties who don't want to point the finger at public transport operators. If it was a better or available option, people would use it. Fix the transport first.

I don't agree that transport needs to be first but it still needs to be done. This would be the push needed nd could part finance it . As for alternatives not available there are!

Eric Cartman

saabsaab wrote: »

It is a given Fossil fuels will have to rise in price anyway. Why not increase the price now when they are relatively inexpensive to get people change to alternatives and save pain long term.

This makes sense carbonwise and financially. Before anyone says that this would put pain on commuters, yes it would but would drive (pardon the pun) people to other ways of transport. There could also be a tax break for car sharing to help. Commuters generally change vehicles every 2 to 4 years so would not endure the increased costs forever.

taxing the bad thing when alternatives arent available is a waste of time. This is the kind of thinking brought out by parties who don't want to point the finger at public transport operators. If it was a better or available option, people would use it. Fix the transport first.

saabsaab

It is a given Fossil fuels will have to rise in price anyway. Why not increase the price now when they are relatively inexpensive to get people change to alternatives and save pain long term.

This makes sense carbonwise and financially. Before anyone says that this would put pain on commuters, yes it would but would drive (pardon the pun) people to other ways of transport. There could also be a tax break for car sharing to help. Commuters generally change vehicles every 2 to 4 years so would not endure the increased costs forever.

Eric Cartman

I Am The Law wrote: »

SF have never been in government, seeing as Labour have completely gone up their own hole it's the closest thing we have to the left, why not give them ago, Irish politics can't get any more irrelevant than where we are today.

irrelivance and being run by terrorists with communist tendancies are two completely different things.

I Am The Law

sid waddell wrote: »

Given that the top three parties in the polls are Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Sinn Fein, and yet people say they want change, I think there's a real gap in the market for a new party.

If one party could combine Fianna Fail's utterly disastrous handling of the economy with Fine Gael's cack handed incompetence as regards water, housing and health with Sinn Fein's liking for bombing people, I think they'd be onto a winner - because those policies all seem to be big vote winners!

SF have never been in government, seeing as Labour have completely gone up their own hole it's the closest thing we have to the left, why not give them ago, Irish politics can't get any more irrelevant than where we are today.

Eric Cartman

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Is she using those shouting in to a megaphone posters? Not going to go down well with the voters I'd imagine.

that was the one. She was beaten by both Gemma O Doherty and Ben Gilroy by thousands of votes in the EU one so I wouldnt be too concerned about her taking up a seat in the dail anytime soon.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I see Rita Harrold has brought her 'socialist feminist voice' back to the table, lets hope she fails more miserably this time.

Is she using those shouting in to a megaphone posters? Not going to go down well with the voters I'd imagine.

Eric Cartman

I see Rita Harrold has brought her 'socialist feminist voice' back to the table, lets hope she fails more miserably this time.

[Deleted User]

silverharp wrote: »

is the quick election to sabotage smaller parties? it seems a bit underhand given posters by FG and FF were up that evening they called it

Every candidate has been ready for months, if not years. They don’t decide on a whim to stand.
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail, as Roy Keane might say.

Calhoun

If you were and independent and were not prepared then you aren't as clued into politics in Ireland as you should be.

The writing has been very much on the wall for some time.

Caquas

silverharp wrote: »

is the quick election to sabotage smaller parties? it seems a bit underhand given posters by FG and FF were up that evening they called it

No, this stunt is designed to limit new independents, especially non-politicians i.e. not the usual gombeens.

Formal nominations must be concluded by next Wednesday I.e. just a week after the election was announced. Even the smallest parties will be geared up for this but if you're a first-time independent, you have to get 30 local electors to sign written nomination forms, plus a deposit of €500. How many ordinary individuals could manage that in the space of a week?

There’ll be plenty of independent candidates in most constituencies but almost all will be (a) local politicians who didn’t get their party’s nomination or (b) total spacers who have been plotting this for months with a bunch of like-minded. Only those in group (a) have a chance of getting elected.

Who fears new independents most? The major parties fear defectors from their own party but the short notice won’t deter many of them. The incumbent independents mostly fear a credible newcomer I.e. the ones most likely to be excluded by the short notice. No prizes for guessing why Leo wanted to help the incumbent independents.

is_that_so

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres such a hypocrisy over this though, so many people oppose the nbp, electrical pylons and car ownership but want businesses to move out of dublin necessitating the three aforementioned things

Meath is a strange place! All those wide open spaces ...

Eric Cartman

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not for the rest for us, just Meath only! Finding ways to persuade employers to move to localities is a far better long-term approach.

Theres such a hypocrisy over this though, so many people oppose the nbp, electrical pylons and car ownership but want businesses to move out of dublin necessitating the three aforementioned things

sid waddell

Given that the top three parties in the polls are Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Sinn Fein, and yet people say they want change, I think there's a real gap in the market for a new party.

If one party could combine Fianna Fail's utterly disastrous handling of the economy with Fine Gael's cack handed incompetence as regards water, housing and health with Sinn Fein's liking for bombing people, I think they'd be onto a winner - because those policies all seem to be big vote winners!

LeinsterDub

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not for the rest for us, just Meath only! Finding ways to persuade employers to move to localities is a far better long-term approach.

Or we could do something crazy like you know investing in public transport

LeinsterDub

Idbatterim wrote: »

Not a bad idea. But will totally support ffg pathetic infrastructure spend over their decades In power. Cut infrastructure spending and they can increase welfare etc. great

If you want actual ideas on transport look here https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1218104865852985344?s=19

LeinsterDub

Idbatterim wrote: »

People are disgusted at the options they have here and you are seriously suggesting you don’t think a new centre right for want of lazy labeling , is a runner ?!

I actually suggested there is space where the PD's used to occupy

Bishop of hope

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yup be a big enough market there amongst disaffected FF FG voters in which I'd count myself

But really that will only break up that type of vote further.
What we really need is a credible just left of center party.
Labour fitted that bill and still should, but the water charges thing and Alan Kelly and Joan Burton destroyed them and they haven't recovered.
I'd love them to come in above SF who aren't convincing and people here still think they are being ruled by norther Irish hidden faces.

is_that_so

Idbatterim wrote: »

Not a bad idea. But will totally support ffg pathetic infrastructure spend over their decades In power. Cut infrastructure spending and they can increase welfare etc. great

It's not for the rest for us, just Meath only! Finding ways to persuade employers to move to localities is a far better long-term approach.

MrMusician18

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When did populist become a dirty word, does anyone actually know what the word means?

It's usually given to those that are reactionary and short termist in their outlook. Those that propose simple "common sense" solutions to complex problems.

Populist policies often end up causing more problems than they solve

is_that_so

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When did populist become a dirty word, does anyone actually know what the word means?

In our context it's the crowd pleasing stuff. Some of it is planned, some of it is whatever way the wind is blowing and what will get a party elected.

ThunbergsAreGo

Idbatterim wrote: »

People are disgusted at the options they have here and you are seriously suggesting you don’t think a new centre right for want of lazy labeling , is a runner ?!

Yup be a big enough market there amongst disaffected FF FG voters in which I'd count myself

Plumbthedepths

is_that_so wrote: »

Here's a bright idea! Not populist of course!

https://www.fiannafail.ie/geraghty-smith-proposes-flexible-working-laws-to-ease-commuter-chaos/

When did populist become a dirty word, does anyone actually know what the word means?

Idbatterim

is_that_so wrote: »

Here's a bright idea! Not populist of course!

https://www.fiannafail.ie/geraghty-smith-proposes-flexible-working-laws-to-ease-commuter-chaos/

Not a bad idea. But will totally support ffg pathetic infrastructure spend over their decades In power. Cut infrastructure spending and they can increase welfare etc. great