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So they say woman are more agreeable than men ah?

Biodegradable

Isn't this basically a polite way of saying that women are more submissive? That they pretend to agree for the sake of peace? And isn't it therefore the ultimate insult to make to a feminist. It either implies that they don't have the intelligence to have an opinion of their own, or that they only pretend to agree out of cowardice. And is it actually true?

Allow me to go off on a tangent briefly. In the past I've found myself in a situations at work where someone, higher up than me, will give me instructions that don't make any sense. And more often than not I'll presume that what they said only doesn't seem to make sense because they explained it too fast, or because it's something I should already know, or I'll say to myself that I'll probably realise what he/she meant later on (as I'm doing the task). But usually in situation like this it's them who haven't explained it incorrectly because they forgot something... only I didn't having the balls to just say it to them! to just say "no that doesn't make any sense"! So my question is, are men the ones who are more inclined to say "hang on, that doesn't make any sense what so ever!"

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Raconteuse

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I think there are differences between men and women, emotionally and physically. I am also quite sexist, I am not a chauvinist, but I think there are glaring differences and society has not addressed them correctly.

That's not sexist. We are different.

Raconteuse

Jada Polite Mule wrote: »

He became dependent on the anti-anxiety medication clonazepam, which he was using to manage the stress associated with his wife's cancer diagnosis.

Wonder what his fans' who scoff about mental illness would say about that.

[Deleted User]

Biodegradable wrote: »

Abuse? Oh come on, he had to have gotten some amusement out of watching everyone get their panties in a bunch every time he spoke out against political correctness. He knew what he was getting into, and I'd say his entering rehab has nothing to do with the public's opinion of him.

He got addicted to a prescription drug, and the US has a long history of giving drugs to deal with stress or depression. His own lectures/podcasts/youtube tell of his struggle with depression during his life. Considering that there's over 17 million Americans addicted to one form of prescribed drug or another, I'd give him some slack. He never painted himself as being perfect, just that he had some of the answers. (yes, I did watch many of his early stuff, and then lost interest because he got far too political or overly technical)

The idea that he wouldn't be affected (in any way) by the torrents of abuse directed at him is ridiculous. Any person with feelings would be affected.

In any case, the thread isn't about JP, and I'm not terribly interested in defending him or his behavior.. I do think a little empathy would be nice, but I guess that's asking for a bit much these days.

Not answering any more posts about JP. Sticking to the thread subject.

[Deleted User]

Raconteuse wrote: »

Presume you mean hardline feminism rather than women's rights (which were only a positive).

As for Jordan Peterson. I don't mind him - says some fair things, makes good, valid points. Same with Paul Joseph Watson. The problem is some of their fans. They (especially Peterson) appeal to the utter dregs. But their fans aren't them. Although sometimes JP says really provocative things to showboat for his more unhinged fans, which he should be above.

Yup. Agree completely (both points)

Biodegradable

Raconteuse wrote: »

Has this place turned into "let's pretend they said something which they didn't say" land?

You said women are viewed as more agreeable - yes I know you didn't say anything about bitchiness. I said women aren't viewed anymore the way you say we are (as more agreeable).

Yes but you used the word 'because' in an a way that gave me the impression you were answering a question of mine, which in fact, you weren't.

Biodegradable

Jada Polite Mule wrote: »

He became dependent on the anti-anxiety medication clonazepam, which he was using to manage the stress associated with his wife's cancer diagnosis.

Any smart scientist knows that there is no way of avoiding stress that won't get you in the long run. Either the drug has side effects, or will be bad for your health in the long run. All drugs prescribed by psychiatrists are utterly pointless.

Biodegradable

Deleted User wrote: »

He got addicted to a prescription drug, and the US has a long history of giving drugs to deal with stress or depression. Considering that there's over 17 million Americans addicted to one form of prescribed drug or another, I'd give him some slack.

Yeah, but he's an educated person. What's his excuse for ending up being played by the shrinks who peddle drugs to make money, when he himself is a shrink!

It's mainly fat people from Texas who actually believe that prescription drugs will actually be of help.

Deleted User wrote: »

The idea that he wouldn't be affected (in any way) by the torrents of abuse directed at him is ridiculous. Any person with feelings would be affected.

All he'd have to do is watch one of those "Jordan Peterson owns needy feminist" videos on youtube, read the comments, and he'd feel like a God.

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Biodegradable wrote: »

Yeah, but he's an educated person. What's his excuse for ending up being played by the shrinks who peddle drugs to make money, when he himself is a shrink!

It's mainly fat people from Texas who actually believe that prescription drugs will actually be of help.
All he'd have to do is watch one of those "Jordan Peterson owns needy feminist" videos on youtube, read the comments, and he'd feel like a God.

I thought about crediting you with a proper response, but nah. No real point, is there? Not that I agree with you, even slightly.

As for your prescription drugs reference, do a google search. You'll find yourself remarkably incorrect.

Raconteuse

Peterson was probably in such a bad way about his wife's cancer (coupled with his existing mental health issues) that those were the only meds he could cope on. I feel for the guy - very tough situation.

Biodegradable

Deleted User wrote: »

As for your prescription drugs reference, do a google search. You'll find yourself remarkably incorrect.

Well fat Texans would be the stereotype, but of course there are idiots everywhere.

Biodegradable

Deleted User wrote: »

The idea that he wouldn't be affected (in any way) by the torrents of abuse directed at him is ridiculous. Any person with feelings would be affected.

And what about Donald Trump? Isn't he a person with feelings?

Do you think that if a bunch of group thinking idiots took to tweeter, or the streets, to whine about whatever, that that would upset JP? If it would then I have no sympathy for him. He should have known what he was getting into... just like Ben Shapiro knows what he's getting into when he gauges a reaction from a particular group of people.

LaFuton

victor8600 wrote: »

(I am a man, btw)

thats the spirit buddy!

Earthhorse

Lane Thousands Wardroom wrote: »

I agree with everything ye've all said.

Lalala

Hang on, that doesn't make any sense what so ever!

Church on Tuesday

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Please. That men don’t bitch and gossip is the worst myth going.

Some do, but those are men you really wouldn't want to be taking seriously anyways.

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people".

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Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Some do, but those are men you really wouldn't want to be taking seriously anyways.

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people".

I love that quote, it's so hypocritical.

"You the kind of people I don't like? Wait, wait no I'm painting myself into a corner there...you know the kind of MINDS I don't like?"

Church on Tuesday

Lane Thousands Wardroom wrote: »

I love that quote, it's so hypocritical.

"You the kind of people I don't like? Wait, wait no I'm painting myself into a corner there...you know the kind of MINDS I don't like?"

I get where you're coming from alright but there's some truth to it.

I find people who gossip about others pretty tiresome and boring.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I get where you're coming from alright but there's some truth to it.

I find people who gossip about others pretty tiresome and boring.

Yeah me too. The workplace is the worst for it I find, and the two biggest gossips I know there are men.

Also I come from rural Clare. Back in the early 2000s my friend's sister was once greeted in a shop as "the one who paid for a round of drinks with a LASER CARD at the weekend!"

The shop and the bar in question were in towns five miles away from each other. Nobody can gossip like culchies.

Raconteuse

The two biggest gossips I know are... Aaronson and Zykowski.

One eyed Jack

Biodegradable wrote: »

Isn't this basically a polite way of saying that women are more submissive? That they pretend to agree for the sake of peace?

That’s a very negative way of looking at agreeableness. I don’t think agreeableness and submissive are synonymous at all. I do believe that women are generally more agreeable than men and that’s certainly been borne out by my experience - they’re far less likely to want to fcuk off and do their own thing for starters.

Women are generally much more likely to be cooperative, empathic, and considerate, whereas men are generally more competitive, selfish and inconsiderate, the opposite of agreeable. Without the balance between the two, civilised society wouldn’t have progressed as it has done. Whether that’s a positive or negative thing though will depend entirely upon the individual. I don’t regard either being agreeable or disagreeable as inherently negative personality traits.

Winning_Stroke

Biodegradable wrote: »

Isn't this basically a polite way of saying that women are more submissive?

Well depends, what is a woman?

[Deleted User]

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Women are generally much more likely to be cooperative, empathic, and considerate,

You should probably throw in manipulative at the end of that sentence just to balance it all out. :rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

I dont agree with any of this

[Deleted User]

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’m also a woman and I’ve worked in various majority or all female teams. The bitchiness was variable from very bitchy to not really at all.

I don’t think it’s a myth. Men love juicy gossip just as much, in my experience, and can be just as pass-remarkable but somehow it doesn’t get pegged as bitchy quite as much.

Oh for them it's being "assertive" or something I'm sure

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bluewolf wrote: »

Oh for them it's being "assertive" or something I'm sure

How does gossip get passed off as assertive? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Some men gossip. Some women gossip. In male or female dominated offices/workplaces, there's likely to be more crass, rude, or nasty behavior from either gender. I've worked in male and female dominated workplaces. From my experience, people gossip or talk sh1te about others.

And honestly, it's part of the managers role to shut that crap down. It's destructive, weakens team spirit, and has no place on the work floor.

[Deleted User]

Of course it doesn't make sense that's the joke

One eyed Jack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You should probably throw in manipulative at the end of that sentence just to balance it all out. :rolleyes:

I don’t think being manipulative is attribute that can be easily associated with either women or men tbh. I don’t believe people of either sex are generally manipulative.

the_pen_turner

most people that have gone out with a woman for a long time or are maried to one (or multiple) woman will understand the phrase happy wife happy life.
from my own experience its easier to do what my GF wants than do what i want.
i want to go shopping in cork she want dublin,. we go to dublin
i want to paint the wall cream, 5000 questions later and she wants it yellow. wall is yellow
she wants to watch x , i want y . we watch x then more x and maybe a rerun of x .

most men will regularly talk about these situations . its a comon them that its easier to go along with women than to try to get what you want.

LaFuton

women forgive but dont forget
men forget but dont forgive

Lyan

Personality studies done using metrics such as the Big Five show women are in fact more agreeable than men.

Scuid Mhór

Biodegradable wrote: »

Any smart scientist knows that there is no way of avoiding stress that won't get you in the long run. Either the drug has side effects, or will be bad for your health in the long run. All drugs prescribed by psychiatrists are utterly pointless.

Something tells me you're not a practising psychiatrist. Unbelievable how people are so willing to write off thereabouts ten years of medical schooling and how many years of specialist training thereafter because what, some pharmaceutical companies want to make a profit? Not every psychiatric drug has the same success rate with every patient, but talk to a single person suffering from a disorder who's life has been made manageable by prescription and ask them if they think "all drugs prescribed by psychiatrists are utterly pointless". Incredibly ignorant thing to say - you're literally writing off one of the most complex professions in the world that has help innumerable people, no doubt without having studied or practiced it yourself.