Matt Barrett wrote: » I'm cool with high taxes if we get value for money. That's the trick. The greens are too one dimensional. People equate environmental policies with high tax because grubby governments use the environment as a reason to stick it to the public for more money. Irish Water, plastic bags fee, white products like the recycling isn't added on top. Nice ideas abused by greedy people with no interest in the environment IMO.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Irish Water was the IMF's idea nothing to do with the environment. The plastic bag levy has been a massive success and good for the environment, costs most people basically nothing. And wasn't it a FF policy? As for white products they are free to recycle. So yet again I'm left wondering what your issue is?
McMurphy wrote: » Maybe you mean it was the IMFs idea of making homeowners pay directly for water in and out of their houses? But if you have a source that the IMF came up with Irish Water, (and all the controversies surrounding it) - I'd love to see it. The water charges issues ran a lot deeper than just "Irish Water" - the company. The water privatisation battle has been fought and lost because of the incompetence of the last govt, hardly much need to revisit it for another few decades.
LeinsterDub wrote: » And this has what to do with the Greens?
Irish Water was the IMF's idea nothing to do with the environment.
McMurphy wrote: » Sweet fcuk all, but I never mentioned the Greens, I responded to this:
Idbatterim wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/fine-gael-to-promise-tax-cut-that-will-see-3000-more-in-workers-pockets-38869475.html FCUK FF, FG will do more than FF for workers thats for sure. FF want less tax cuts for workers, to improve services, the vast majority of which the workers wont receive! any spending needs to go on better infrastructure, reducing cost of child care etc, affordable housing etc. Where will it go? Thrown to areas, that are already massive black holes, like welfare! FCUK this country! What a surprise when FIFTY percent of the population receive some sort of welfare payment! What a shock when these morons knock on peoples doors, " we want better servies" and we want other people to pay for them, what a shock!
Idbatterim wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/fine-gael-to-promise-tax-cut-that-will-see-3000-more-in-workers-pockets-38869475.html FCUK FF, FG will do more than FF for workers thats for sure. FF want less tax cuts for workers, to improve services, the vast majority of which the workers wont receive! any spending needs to go on better infrastructure, reducing cost of child care etc, affordable housing etc. Where will it go? Thrown to areas, that are already massive black holes, like welfare! FCUK this country! What a surprise when FIFTY percent of the population receive some sort of welfare payment! What a shock when these morons now knocking on peoples doors hear " we want better services" and we want other people to pay for them, what a shock! Any doubt I have had in my head is removed! Im voting FG, yeah they are crap, but FF again? to potentially bust the economy and do nothing but reward those not struggling? LOL!
rob316 wrote: » This is the same party that said they would abolish USC the last time. I'd take anything with a large grain of salt. Raising the higer tax bracket to 50k is fantasy stuff aswell in my eyes.
lawred2 wrote: » The USC was the one fair tax - everyone paid it. Everyone paid in a little to the system. And those that benefit the most from the system were asked for a small contribution. But in typical Irish fashion - it's being hollowed out and the band pushed increasingly northwards meaning to keep as a viable source of taxation - the rates charged at the upper end have to keep going up.. it's infuriating.. Take a fixed percentage off everyone - regardless of income level. Instead it's just becoming another unbalanced income tax. universal social charge that a lot of people don't pay... :rolleyes:
LeinsterDub wrote: » So you'd tax a millionaire the same percentage as someone struggling to get by? How............ regressive of you
LeinsterDub wrote: » What rewards have you gotten from 9 years of FG? Housing, transport, climate and health crisis seems to be the reward.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » So Leo told you he wants to look after the people that get up early but he didn't, I have seen you reference that on multiple occasions when ranting about social welfare. Workers got nothing in the last budget, but now in the midst of an election you believe Leo and the lads are going to look after workers this time? Are you seriously that gullible?
Idbatterim wrote: » as above. they have been useless , offensive, you are right! so what in gods name will FF be like? start taxing us more and handing out M&S vouchers to all welfare recipients? probably not far off it...
markodaly wrote: » Do you know what fixed percentage works? 10% of €10,000 nets less than 10% of €1,000,000
Idbatterim wrote: » they have done virtually FA for the workers, I am aware of that, I bang on about it relentlessly. But here is the option, the pittance they will throw at workers OR that amount not given to workers and wasted on other crap by FF, making the bad situation even worse!
lawred2 wrote: » no because a millionaire will pay higher rates of income tax and PRSI but everyone should pay a small fixed percentage of their salary to the USC otherwise it's just another lopsided income tax
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Last big promise to workers by FG in 2016, now they expect us to believe the top rate won't kick in till 50k at least their partners FF aren't making the same undeliverable promise.https://www.thejournal.ie/fine-gael-scrap-usc-2548728-Jan2016/
LeinsterDub wrote: » Why not someone like the SocDems who are offering you a lower cost of living?
saabsaab wrote: » Anybody promising tax cuts or big spends etc. should be asked where is the money coming from to do whatever it is there are pushing.
is_that_so wrote: » The current limit in the mid-thirties is too low but 50K too high. USC is difficult to replace because of the vast sums it generates and maybe slightly lower levels is where it should be left.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Can't see a thread on this. That's pretty soon huh? I hope people vote anything but FF/FG. Why not do something different for a change?
smurgen wrote: » As a cork man I'll be taking all the ore election promises of FG with a heap of salt.it's four years since the sod turning of the events center before the last election and still building isn't started and still promises are being made.they're the do nothing party. All they can manage are the optics and they're not even able for that anymore. Things happen under fine Gael they dont manage anything.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » So you agree the USC was an election stunt, the 50k promise is no differentct to the USC stunt. As unpalatable as taxes are they are necessary to pay for services. I would prefer if instead of claiming they will cut taxes the promise should be made to spend taxes more efficiently and give value for the money taken from the taxpayer.
