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Election called for Saturday 8 February

Thelonious Monk

Can't see a thread on this. That's pretty soon huh? I hope people vote anything but FF/FG. Why not do something different for a change?

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LeinsterDub

McMurphy wrote: »

Sweet fcuk all, but I never mentioned the Greens, I responded to this:

Which was a response to the suggestion that the Greens are high tax. I agree with you that the IMF didn't mandate the **** show that is Irish Water

McMurphy

LeinsterDub wrote: »

And this has what to do with the Greens?

Sweet fcuk all, but I never mentioned the Greens, I responded to this:

Irish Water was the IMF's idea nothing to do with the environment.

LeinsterDub

McMurphy wrote: »

Maybe you mean it was the IMFs idea of making homeowners pay directly for water in and out of their houses?

But if you have a source that the IMF came up with Irish Water, (and all the controversies surrounding it) - I'd love to see it. The water charges issues ran a lot deeper than just "Irish Water" - the company.

The water privatisation battle has been fought and lost because of the incompetence of the last govt, hardly much need to revisit it for another few decades.

And this has what to do with the Greens?

McMurphy

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Irish Water was the IMF's idea nothing to do with the environment. The plastic bag levy has been a massive success and good for the environment, costs most people basically nothing. And wasn't it a FF policy? As for white products they are free to recycle. So yet again I'm left wondering what your issue is?

Maybe you mean it was the IMFs idea of making homeowners pay directly for water in and out of their houses?

But if you have a source that the IMF came up with Irish Water, (and all the controversies surrounding it) - I'd love to see it. The water charges issues ran a lot deeper than just "Irish Water" - the company.

The water privatisation battle has been fought and lost because of the incompetence of the last govt, hardly much need to revisit it for another few decades.

LeinsterDub

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I'm cool with high taxes if we get value for money. That's the trick.

The greens are too one dimensional.
People equate environmental policies with high tax because grubby governments use the environment as a reason to stick it to the public for more money. Irish Water, plastic bags fee, white products like the recycling isn't added on top. Nice ideas abused by greedy people with no interest in the environment IMO.

Irish Water was the IMF's idea nothing to do with the environment. The plastic bag levy has been a massive success and good for the environment, costs most people basically nothing. And wasn't it a FF policy? As for white products they are free to recycle. So yet again I'm left wondering what your issue is?

James Brown

I'm cool with high taxes if we get value for money. That's the trick.

The greens are too one dimensional.
People equate environmental policies with high tax because grubby governments use the environment as a reason to stick it to the public for more money. Irish Water, plastic bags fee, white products like the recycling isn't added on top. Nice ideas abused by greedy people with no interest in the environment IMO.

Geuze

average_runner wrote: »

Big tax increases so and then a bailout

Why do people associate the Greens with higher taxes?

As a left-leaning socialist party, yes I suspect they would want higher taxes.

As would Labour, SF, and SD.

Yet people seem to mention higher taxes every time they mention the Greens.

And the "radical" left want much higher taxes.

markodaly

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Well they've refused to engage with SF and FG would rather bring FF back to power. And folk blame PBP and the like because of FF/FG being the only 'viable' options. That's the FF/FG plan.

Folks rightly, blame PBP and the left because they simply cannot get the numbers or votes.

That is the nub of it there. They do not get a mandate because they dont get the votes, yet that is the 'fault' of FG??

If people do not vote for the PBP or the left in the numbers required I would say the fault is with these left wing parties, being too radical or full of jumped up idiots, or perhaps both. Maybe some reflection and introspection may not go amiss.

NovemberWren

Idbatterim wrote: »

Fg should really get a reality check slogan! Here is my suggestion "it could be worse" and they would be right!

It's worse than you think.

LeinsterDub

Idbatterim wrote: »

there is talk about SF and a money tree, I know where my money tree is, and its not where SF are looking, I would be looking at a transfer of several billion a year back from the welfare, free housing, free gp etc and direct it primarily at workers...

Why are you taking about SF?
This is such short term-ism. Sure you may transfer back billions now but in the future you'll be transferring many multiples more as the kids you left cynically fall through the cracks become homeless, addicted or criminals.

Free GP for all would lower the cost of living for everyone.
Social housing lowers the cost for everyone

elperello

Snow Garden wrote: »

They do that 365 days a year. It's quite pathetic that our TDs rush out from Dublin to be seen at high profile funerals.

I was at a country funeral some years ago and the local Government Minister So and So made his customary ostentatious run up the aisle to commiserate.

Later in the cemetery after the burial a helicopter took off from a nearby field and everyone said "So and So is losing the run of himself".

Later I found out that it was a big developer from Dublin who knew the deceased and had nothing to do with the Minister.

I didn't tell anyone.

Plumbthedepths

lawred2 wrote: »

So FG promise huge tax cuts

Give me a break. Promised that before.

Don't forget the higher wages promise to accompany the tax cuts. Although I don't see where they can force a private company to increase wages beyond the legal minimum wage. Maybe they just mean higher wages in the public sector, that's always a vote getter.

Snow Garden

yrreg0850 wrote: »

I was present at a funeral in a graveyard yesterday.
Just before the funeral ended, two locally well known election candidates from the same party (which I will not name) arrived at the graveside, sought out the relations of the deceased , shook hands and promptly left.
They spent less than 10 minutes in the graveyard.

This was the height of bad taste and, they in fact lost potential votes by their callous action.

They do that 365 days a year. It's quite pathetic that our TDs rush out from Dublin to be seen at high profile funerals.

lawred2

So FG promise huge tax cuts

Give me a break. Promised that before.

James Brown

Idbatterim wrote: »

Fg should really get a reality check slogan! Here is my suggestion "it could be worse" and they would be right!

Must be inspiring to members that all FG can offer is not being as bad as some others

Idbatterim

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The penny's comment was referring to fraud which I realise re-reading the other poster wasn't referring to. We should be looking at free health care for all. I think every party agrees with this.

Good luck solving the housing crisis by not funding social houses.

there is talk about SF and a money tree, I know where my money tree is, and its not where SF are looking, I would be looking at a transfer of several billion a year back from the welfare, free housing, free gp etc and direct it primarily at workers...

Idbatterim

Fg should really get a reality check slogan! Here is my suggestion "it could be worse" and they would be right!

L1011

NovemberWren wrote: »

John Waters thinks they are okay.

Very few people think John Waters is OK

yrreg0850

I was present at a funeral in a graveyard yesterday.
Just before the funeral ended, two locally well known election candidates from the same party (which I will not name) arrived at the graveside, sought out the relations of the deceased , shook hands and promptly left.
They spent less than 10 minutes in the graveyard.

This was the height of bad taste and, they in fact lost potential votes by their callous action.

Sir Oxman

L1011 wrote: »

The 100% private estates in the area - no social % back then - had identical problems too. Same in Clondalkin

Incompetent planning and no facility provision

That has plagued Ireland for as long as I've been alive - we have to have the most awful planners in the world or the most corruptible.

NovemberWren

L1011 wrote: »

The National Party are not "anoraks", they are out and out fascists with lengthy political histories

John Waters thinks they are okay.

Plumbthedepths

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Just seen the homeless man injured was from Eritrea.

Why do I get the impression we will be hearing less about this incident so from the concerned middle class? Just a hunch.

I don't understand why his enithicty was mentioned at all, it doesn't lessen his injuries or mean he wasn't really homeless.

L1011

The 100% private estates in the area - no social % back then - had identical problems too. Same in Clondalkin

Incompetent planning and no facility provision

Sir Oxman

BarryD2 wrote: »

Did you ever see Tallaght back in the 1970s/ 80s? It was like a third world country - housing estates & blocks interspersed with patches of grass and mud. The occasional concrete complex with a few small shops with iron bars over the windows. That was the reality of 'cheap housing'.

That was the reality of sh1t planning not 'cheap housing'

Kermit.de.frog

Just seen the homeless man injured was from Eritrea.

Why do I get the impression we will be hearing less about this incident so from the concerned middle class? Just a hunch.

Yurt2

Matt Barrett wrote: »

She's a private citizen. I wouldn't post her name. Not sure how I could link to the recipient of an affordable house any way.
The FG TD is Catherine Byrne. Her daughter Clare became a councilor when the Ma became a TD, took over the seat. Clare later resigned.
I know the family pretty well.

Unsurprising. She's one of those TDs who have employed half their wider family as secretarial assistants / parliamentary assistants from the public purse without the jobs being advertised.

Shouldn't be allowed. Not the way of things in the UK for instance.

James Brown

I do know that the parish of St. Michael's has a youth club and Catherine's estate, (formally social housing) has a private youth club part funded by the tax payer. Catherine has keys to the parish youth club and at one point wanted it turned into a swimming pool, leaving the parish with no youth club. It didn't float

L1011

The National Party are not "anoraks", they are out and out fascists with lengthy political histories

NovemberWren

@rob316. some kinda' alternative, may be The National Party?, I dunno. But anyhow, Justin Barrett will be live-stream this evening at : The Grand Torino. might be worth a listen.

They are 'anoraks'; but they might be some alternative to these FFG cute politicians will be forever in the media, to February.

also, @Bishop ofHope: this is kinda' a crux of (civic?) housing: the power of Councillors to almost over-rule the, even senior, bureaucrats; and so, estates may/could, become votes ghettos of any one party.
(I'm By No Means a big fan of bureaucracy unions; but what may be needed is very, very, well-educated bureaucrats there, that can take a complete county and country overview of proper distribution.

James Brown

McMurphy wrote: »

Wasn't there a story about one of her lot subletting or something?

Might be completely wrong mind you, but I recall something along those lines.

There's chatter on facebook about it being rented out with the daughter now living in a house left to the family but I don't know anything about that myself. She defo got affordable.

EDIT: Found a website:

http://www.charleybrady.com/?p=1298

Turns out Clare got affordable. A Councillor. FG are gas