notobtuse wrote: » Trump did not break the law.
TheRepentent wrote: » He was impeached for breaking the law....but you know that
Hector Savage wrote: » Yeah impeached because they know they have no chance of beating him in November
ohnonotgmail wrote: » It was a sad day for america that they had to impeach a president but she was happy that they had done so. Not so difficult to understand if you really try.
Hector Savage wrote: » Pelosi saying it was a sad day for America, yet the old witch couldn't keep the massive grin from her face.
Billy Mays wrote: » Like I've said before no one does lacking in self awareness quite like Trump fans
notobtuse wrote: » Pelosi reaches for pen... 'N' grabs another pen... 'a' takes another pen... 'n' yet another pen... 'c' and another pen... 'y' Tradition? Give me a break!
Quin_Dub wrote: » The Prosecutor that they were trying to remove was REFUSING to investigate corruption and everybody wanted him gone.
What Biden did was Government policy and done in Public with the approval of Congress
What Trump did was for Personal gain
Billy Mays wrote: » It's tradition in the US for politicians to use several pens when signing important documents (a silly tradition, granted). Even Donnie himself has done it. Thought you would've known that Pete Also lol at any Trump fan calling someone else childish
Billy Mays wrote: » Deep state at it again :rolleyes:
Quin_Dub wrote: » Except that's not even close to true. The Prosecutor that they were trying to remove was REFUSING to investigate corruption and everybody wanted him gone. What Biden did was Government policy and done in Public with the approval of Congress - What Trump did was for Personal gain , contrary to Government and Congressional policy and done using unofficial un-elected operatives , that's the issue , but I think you know that. Also - This comment That not how executive privilege works though - He cannot just issue a blanket block and say "I'm not allowing them to attend" - As the recent court judgements related to Don McGahn have confirmed. They of course are allowed to refuse to answer specific questions during testimony if they believe that it might be covered by Executive privilege. But not turning up at all , that's simply not how it works at all.
“Mr. Shokin attempted to continue the investigations but on or around June or July of 2015, the U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey R. Pyatt told him that the investigation has to be handled with white gloves, which according to Mr. Shokin, that implied do nothing,” the notes from the interview stated. The notes also claimed Shokin was told Biden had held up U.S. aid to Ukraine over the investigation.
Executive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch and to resist some subpoenas and other oversight by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of particular information or personnel relating to those confidential communications. The right comes into effect when revealing information would impair governmental functions.
notobtuse wrote: » How about sticking to the two ACTUAL articles of impeachment against TUMP, not trumped up other ones… abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Democrats contend that a president does not have to commit a crime to be impeached. It goes to show that Democrats are pursuing a political impeachment because they couldn’t uncover enough evidence to show a crime was committed to removed him from office. Former Harvard Law School professor, and celebrated scholar of United States constitutional law and criminal law, Alan Dershowitz said that the two articles Democrats settled on are “so vague and open ended that they could be applied in partisan fashion by a majority of the House against almost any president.” Neither are high or low crimes or misdemeanors. Let’s take the obstruction of Congress charge. So Trump claimed executive privilege in not allowing someone to appear in front of Congress for questioning. Every president has and will do this. So therefore every president going forward can be impeached by the prescient Democrats have now set. Also, every president has withheld monies to other countries to gain leverage. Again, every president going forward will do so. Impeachable? Impeachable offenses????... Remember when Barack Obama and Eric Holder stonewalled Congress over Fast and Furious? Remember when Obama threatened to withhold funds to Pakistan if they didn’t do enough to disrupt the Haqqani network. Remember when Joe Biden, on behalf of Barack Obama, threatened to withhold $1 Billion in aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire the prosecutor looking into corruption of the company his son sat on the board of, by the end of the day? Ooops… I guess that means Biden should be impeached on day one if he wins.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » This is not good for The Donald. From the article: As the Senate formally opened the impeachment trial on whether to remove Donald Trump from office, a nonpartisan congressional watchdog on Thursday dealt the Republican president a blow by concluding that the White House violated the law by withholding security aid approved for Ukraine by U.S. lawmakers.
notobtuse wrote: » How about sticking to the two ACTUAL articles of impeachment against TUMP, not trumped up other ones… abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Democrats contend that a president does not have to commit a crime to be impeached. It goes to show that Democrats are pursuing a political impeachment because they couldn’t uncover enough evidence to show a crime was committed to removed him from office. Former Harvard Law School professor, and celebrated scholar of United States constitutional law and criminal law, Alan Dershowitz said that the two articles Democrats settled on are “so vague and open ended that they could be applied in partisan fashion by a majority of the House against almost any president.” Neither are high or low crimes or misdemeanors. Let’s take the obstruction of Congress charge. So Trump claimed executive privilege in not allowing someone to appear in front of Congress for questioning. Every president has and will do this. So therefore every president going forward can be impeached by the prescient Democrats have now set. Also, every president has withheld moneys to other countries to gain leverage. Again every president going forward. Impeachable offenses????... Remember when Barack Obama and Eric Holder stonewalled Congress over Fast and Furious? Remember when Obama threatened to withhold funds to Pakistan if they didn’t do enough to disrupt the Haqqani network. Remember when Joe Biden, on behalf of Barack Obama, threatened to withhold $1 Billion in aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire the prosecutor looking into corruption of the company his son sat on the board of, by the end of the day? Ooops… I guess that means Biden should be impeached on day one if he wins.
So Trump claimed executive privilege in not allowing someone to appear in front of Congress for questioning.
duploelabs wrote: » You seem to have forgotten my response to the last time you tried that 'not a crime not a crime' ploy, so here's the breaches of office that Trump has made to cause the impeachment 18 U.S. Code § 872: “Extortion by officers or employees of the United States.” 2 U.S. Code § 192, “Refusal of witness to testify or produce papers,” 18 U.S. Code § 610, “Coercion of political activity.” 52 U.S. Code § 30121, “Contributions and donations by foreign nationals.”
notobtuse wrote: » Only 3 presidents have been impeached. Two for actual crimes and Trump for being on the opposition party from that which controls the House and beating Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.
notobtuse wrote: » Ask Nancy Pelosi. The two reasons for Trump's impeachment are not crimes. Sadly, Congress could impeach a president because they don't like the color of his tie.
Cody montana wrote: » Reality is not your strong point.
Stateofyou wrote: » If they don't break the law, violate the constitution and the oath to uphold it, or commit treason, how could they be impeached. :rolleyes:
notobtuse wrote: » STEP RIGHT UP AND GET YOUR NANCY PELOSI COMMEMORATIVE IMPEACHMENT PEN! Solemn day… my a$$! They look like bullet casings. Thanks, Nancy, for making a mockery of the impeachment process. You have now made impeachment a purely political tool, which was what the Founding Fathers warned against. Looks like every president going forward will now be impeached when the opposing political controls the House. She should be tarred and feathered and run out of Washington on a rail for keeping our elected official from doing their jobs for the last 2 years.
Igotadose wrote: » It's all the tGOP have got. Ignoring the fact that articles of impeachment have been sent today to the Senate to be tried, they complain about the pens uses to sign them. And the attitude the Speaker seemed to show when signing. But that fact that Trump now is the 4th President to be impeached isn't as important as the (as you point out common) procedure used for signing. That's what matters. When you have nothing, you've got to dig pretty far to come up with something to be indignant about. IOKIYAR I suppose.
Billy Mays wrote: » Should've used a sharpie
