duploelabs wrote: » The Parnas documentation was included in the evidence of the articles of impeachment, he and his lawyer said they're under deadline the night before they conducted the Maddow interview.
Penn wrote: » Yes, but going through them publicly in a House hearing and having Parnas testifying about them under oath publicly would have greater impact than now in the Senate where they'll likely just be glossed over and ignored.
Stallingrad wrote: » Like messages implying the assassination of a US Ambassador by US citizens, that sort of thing?
Hoop66 wrote: » Page 1 of every major news organisation yesterday.
hotmail.com wrote: » The same news organisations that treated the Harry and Megan story as important news? I'm not saying something controversial. Most people aren't bothered about this. It's only been 20 years since the last impeachment farce.
duploelabs wrote: » Not that it's relevant to the thread, but the voluntary departure (effectively) of Harry and Megan from the royal family hasn't been seen in nearly 90 years
hotmail.com wrote: » It could have been 900 years. He's not in the direct line of succession. At best the story was tabloid fodder. This undermines the seriousness with which media organisations take stories. It reminds us that they're only chasing ratings. Trump has taken advantage of this of course.
everlast75 wrote: » Um, that was from a dictionary. The thing that tells us what words mean? I treat him the same way I treat Cohen. Bring the receipts, or else take a hike. He is out to save his own skin and is only doing so because he was caught. I genuinely hope he has the paperwork to back it all up.
pixelburp wrote: » So back in the day of News at 10, and when the primary source were nightly bulletins, did those "...and finally" segments about waterskiing squirrels and the like also blow the respectability of outlets out of the water too? There has always been fluff in the news, but it doesn't - and shouldn't - mean you use it as a rod to beat the overall editorial policy. One swallow doesn't make a summer.
everlast75 wrote: » Seriously, Barr is one of the shadiest characters in this whole mess. If Trump goes, I can see Barr going next.
Gbear wrote: » What truly needs to happen is for the next non-nakedly-corrupt adminsitration to clean house and send all these people to jail. If there isn't an intervention soon, then the decades of lawlessness of US administrations are going to be more and more openly acceptable. This current one isn't an aberration, but the next logical step for the Republican party, and as norms are eroded and laws ignored, the Democrats mightn't be as bad, but things considered unconscionable by them before will become the norm. The murder of Soleimani probably wasn't much different to much of what the US has done previously, but even at their worst before, there was some separation from the top and at least the veneer of denianbility. Trump has shown that the US can, to at least some extent, get away with even more than they already have been, and the behaviour will only push the limit further and further until it snaps.
everlast75 wrote: » This seems significant...https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1217823259938508803?s=19 Is this the proof needed for his impeachment?
Ukraine on Thursday announced it would launch a federal criminal investigation into alleged threats against Marie Yovanovitch while she was serving as the US ambassador to Ukraine. The Ministry of Internal Affairs released a statement saying it was aware of "the materials published by the investigators, related to possible illegal surveillance on the former US ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch on the Ukrainian territory." It added that it "with regard to international and national legislation, guarantees protection, safety, and untouchability for diplomats of any foreign state on the territory of Ukraine, including the representatives of the diplomatic corps of the United States of America."
Fonny122 wrote: » It looks like Ukraine are opening a criminal investigation into the stalking and potential assassination plot on Maria Yovanovich (the US ambassador). https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-investigates-threats-against-marie-yovanovitch-2020-1
Quin_Dub wrote: » The response from Trump/GOP will be "See we told you the Ukrainians were interfering in our elections to help the Dems , here they go again!!"
Quin_Dub wrote: » It should be , but it won't. Facts and Evidence do not matter anymore , all that matters is public opinion. And for now Trump (as he always has been) sits at ~90% support among GOP voters , as long as that doesn't materially shift for the worst, absolutely nothing will change no matter what evidence comes to light.
amandstu wrote: » I wonder how much animosity there is among some Ukranians for the disrepectful and cynical way they have apparently been treated by the US administration. Might some be champing at the bit to get their own back?They have every right and duty to investigate these claims,I would have thought.
everlast75 wrote: » Fine. Mulvaney is guilty here too. Why shouldn't he go?
amandstu wrote: » I wonder how much animosity there is among some Ukranians for the disrepectful and cynical way they have apparently been treated by the US administration. Might some be champing at the bit to get their own back? They have every right and duty to investigate these claims,I would have thought.
Quin_Dub wrote: » Facts and Evidence do not matter anymore , all that matters is public opinion.
Brian? wrote: » Every recent president has done it, except Trump of course. The first bill he signed he just his Sharpie as normal, even though the souvenir pens were laid out. Traditionally each pen is given to someone who has sponsored the bill or who had a large part to play in its creation. It’s a nice tradition to recognise people who’ve worked hard on something.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Comments like this from your side of the aisle are laughable. For over three years you all pushed the lie that Trump had colluded with Russia to fix the 2016 election and ignored every single piece of evidence to the contrary. Not only that, but simultaneously also dismissed facts and evidence which clearly showed that FBI officials had spied on the Trump campaign, lied to the FISA courts in order to keep doing so, and leaked investigation information to the media in a clear and concerted effort at misleading the public into believing that the Kremlin had compromising information on Trump and that he was effectively in their pocket. So spare me the nonsense about facts and evidence not mattering to those who support him as POTUS as tis your good selves which are prone to looking the other way when the truth doesn't fit your nauseating narrative that Trump is the devil incarnate.
