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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announces a formal impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump over the whistleblower complaint on Trump's communication with Ukraine about Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden. /CNN

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notobtuse

Sound the Crazy lady alarms!

Nancy Pelosi, suffering from impeachment fail dementia and now totally desperate, is now accusing Mitch McConnell of being a Russian accomplice. Russia, Russia, Russia, all over again? Seems McConnell’s threat to dismiss Trump's impeachment trial in the Senate if Nancy didn’t send the articles of impeachment within 25 days has sent her over the edge. Didn’t she just last week complain about Trump starting a war with Iran, who is Russia's staunchest ally in the Middle East? I guess this is a dire warning about the long term effects of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Apparently, unchecked, it could cause you to become an unhinged babbling lunatic.

blinding

Trump has un-hinged the Democrats . Not as difficult as you might think as they wouldn’t know a hinge if a door hit them smack in the gob !

Outlaw Pete

Yeah, sure it is Nance ...

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1217593913323802626

Igotadose

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yeah, sure it is Nance ...

Agreed. Congress properly exercised its duty in impeaching a criminal President. A great day for America. If Trump's removed from office, that'll be a sad day, but any day Congress exercises its authorization properly, is a good day, sometimes great like this one was.

Pelosi has been brilliant throughout this process, staring down a President not afraid to have subordinates threaten the lives of US Citizens for his own personal, financial and political gain. Despite the entire engine of the administration aligned against her, she persisted and got impeachment done.

Igotadose

Parnas interview on Maddow is must see TV. So, today the twitter machine and the FB bots and their surrogates here will be cranked up.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/lev-parnas-president-trump-knew-exactly-what-was-going-on-76853829937

(lots of clips there)

DrumSteve

notobtuse wrote: »

Sound the Crazy lady alarms!

Nancy Pelosi, suffering from impeachment fail dementia and now totally desperate, is now accusing Mitch McConnell of being a Russian accomplice. Russia, Russia, Russia, all over again? Seems McConnell’s threat to dismiss Trump's impeachment trial in the Senate if Nancy didn’t send the articles of impeachment within 25 days has sent her over the edge. Didn’t she just last week complain about Trump starting a war with Iran, who is Russia's staunchest ally in the Middle East? I guess this is a dire warning about the long term effects of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Apparently, unchecked, it could cause you to become an unhinged babbling lunatic.

Don't the Russians have serious investments in his home state of Kentucky? I think remember him trying to get the sanctions lifted for them.

Or are we just saying mad **** cos it's the CA forum.

Igotadose

Parnas talks about Derek Harvey, a Nunes aide, being in on the con, talking with him at length due to Nunes not being available. I thought I'd remembered Harvey from earlier - sure enough, he's one of the ones ratting out the whistleblower to the Trumplodytes in Congress and Fox:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-nunes-aide-is-leaking-the-ukraine-whistleblowers-name-sources-say?via=twitter_page

I imagine the FBI might want to be talking with Harvey about the campaign finance stuff as one of Parnas's contacts within DC.

Boggles

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/15/politics/who-is-robert-hyde-trump-ukraine/index.html

Facking hell, sounds like a hit was being planned on the Ambassador.

MonkeyTennis

notobtuse wrote: »

Apparently, unchecked, it could cause you to become an unhinged babbling lunatic.

Washing machines!!! You have to use them 10 times and were going to have a fireworks display at Mount Rushmore .. its made of stone and stone doesnt burn and wind turbines give you cancer ... that kind of babbling lunatic

If you find yourself defending Trump at this stage you really should check your own hinges

Igotadose

Boggles wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/15/politics/who-is-robert-hyde-trump-ukraine/index.html

Facking hell, sounds like a hit was being planned on the Ambassador.

FWIW, Parnas dismisses this guy Hyde as 'drunk all the time', 'I didn't take it seriously.'

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/-drunk-all-the-time-parnas-dismisses-hyde-tracking-yovanovitch-76858949621

Of course, threatening a US government official is a crime and Mr. Hyde might have some 'splaining to do to those disapproving lads in the FBI. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/trump-robert-hyde-stalk-ambassador-marie-yovanovitch.html

I'd like to believe Hyde was just an overblown Trumplodyte wanker, but who knows what he was up to, besides Hyde?

duploelabs

blinding wrote: »

Looks like in the close up that she had good boobs in her day !

Classy comment, really classy

Igotadose

This bit of the interview ties the Fox lawyers (DeGenova?) and John Solomon into the corrupt web that contains Giuliani, Parnas and Trump. Great stuff.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/lev-parnas-untangles-dmytro-firtash-role-in-trump-ukraine-scheme-76859973858

duploelabs

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Washing machines!!! You have to use them 10 times and were going to have a fireworks display at Mount Rushmore .. its made of stone and stone doesnt burn and wind turbines give you cancer ... that kind of babbling lunatic

If you find yourself defending Trump at this stage you really should check your own hinges

Projection projection projection

MeMen2_MoRi_

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yeah, sure it is Nance ...

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1217593913323802626

Is there some context to this other then what it is alluding to?

notobtuse

STEP RIGHT UP AND GET YOUR NANCY PELOSI COMMEMORATIVE IMPEACHMENT PEN!

Solemn day… my a$$!

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They look like bullet casings.

Thanks, Nancy, for making a mockery of the impeachment process. You have now made impeachment a purely political tool, which was what the Founding Fathers warned against. Looks like every president going forward will now be impeached when the opposing political controls the House. She should be tarred and feathered and run out of Washington on a rail for keeping our elected official from doing their jobs for the last 2 years.

Billy Mays

Should've used a sharpie

Outlaw Pete

notobtuse wrote: »

STEP RIGHT UP AND GET YOUR NANCY PELOSI COMMEMORATIVE IMPEACHMENT PEN!

Did you see that she used a different pen for each letter of her signature? Fcuking emabasrment.

https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1217766799967772676

The whole "He'll be impeached forever" nonsense is so childish also. She should have also added:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ABVyH-Ti6I

ohnonotgmail

Billy Mays wrote: »

Should've used a sharpie

for anything trump related a crayon would be more appropriate.

Billy Mays

It's tradition in the US for politicians to use several pens when signing important documents (a silly tradition, granted). Even Donnie himself has done it.

Thought you would've known that Pete

Also lol at any Trump fan calling someone else childish

Igotadose

Billy Mays wrote: »

It's tradition in the US for politicians to use several pens when signing important documents (a silly tradition, granted). Even Donnie himself has done it.

Thought you would've known that Pete

Also lol at any Trump fan calling someone else childish

It's all the tGOP have got. Ignoring the fact that articles of impeachment have been sent today to the Senate to be tried, they complain about the pens uses to sign them. And the attitude the Speaker seemed to show when signing.

But that fact that Trump now is the 3rd President to be impeached isn't as important as the (as you point out common) procedure used for signing. That's what matters. When you have nothing, you've got to dig pretty far to come up with something to be indignant about. IOKIYAR I suppose.

notobtuse

Igotadose wrote: »

It's all the tGOP have got. Ignoring the fact that articles of impeachment have been sent today to the Senate to be tried, they complain about the pens uses to sign them. And the attitude the Speaker seemed to show when signing.

But that fact that Trump now is the 4th President to be impeached isn't as important as the (as you point out common) procedure used for signing. That's what matters. When you have nothing, you've got to dig pretty far to come up with something to be indignant about. IOKIYAR I suppose.

Only 3 presidents have been impeached. Two for actual crimes and Trump for being on the opposition party from that which controls the House and beating Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

Cody montana

notobtuse wrote: »

Only 3 presidents have been impeached. Two for actual crimes and Trump for being on the opposition party from that which controls the House and beating Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

Reality is not your strong point.

Stateofyou

notobtuse wrote: »

STEP RIGHT UP AND GET YOUR NANCY PELOSI COMMEMORATIVE IMPEACHMENT PEN!

Solemn day… my a$$!

They look like bullet casings.

Thanks, Nancy, for making a mockery of the impeachment process. You have now made impeachment a purely political tool, which was what the Founding Fathers warned against. Looks like every president going forward will now be impeached when the opposing political controls the House. She should be tarred and feathered and run out of Washington on a rail for keeping our elected official from doing their jobs for the last 2 years.

If they don't break the law, violate the constitution and the oath to uphold it, or commit treason, how could they be impeached. :rolleyes:

Igotadose

notobtuse wrote: »

Only 3 presidents have been impeached. Two for actual crimes and Trump for being on the opposition party from that which controls the House and beating Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

Thanks, fixed the typo in my original post. Nixon wasn't impeached, House never got to voting on his articles of impeachment.

notobtuse

Stateofyou wrote: »

If they don't break the law, violate the constitution and the oath to uphold it, or commit treason, how could they be impeached. :rolleyes:

Ask Nancy Pelosi. The two reasons for Trump's impeachment are not crimes. Sadly, Congress could impeach a president because they don't like the color of his tie.

notobtuse

Cody montana wrote: »

Reality is not your strong point.

Au contraire.

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

Ask Nancy Pelosi. The two reasons for Trump's impeachment are not crimes. Sadly, Congress could impeach a president because they don't like the color of his tie.

They don't have to be. I thought that was absolutely clear to everyone at this stage.

As others have said , if a President locked himself in his bedroom and refused to come out and complete his day to day job , it wouldn't be a crime but he would and should absolutely be impeached for failing to do his job.

duploelabs

notobtuse wrote: »

Only 3 presidents have been impeached. Two for actual crimes and Trump for being on the opposition party from that which controls the House and beating Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

You seem to have forgotten my response to the last time you tried that 'not a crime not a crime' ploy, so here's the breaches of office that Trump has made to cause the impeachment

18 U.S. Code § 872: “Extortion by officers or employees of the United States.”

2 U.S. Code § 192, “Refusal of witness to testify or produce papers,”

18 U.S. Code § 610, “Coercion of political activity.”

52 U.S. Code § 30121, “Contributions and donations by foreign nationals.”

Professor Moriarty

duploelabs wrote: »

You seem to have forgotten my response to the last time you tried that 'not a crime not a crime' ploy, so here's the breaches of office that Trump has made to cause the impeachment

18 U.S. Code § 872: “Extortion by officers or employees of the United States.”

2 U.S. Code § 192, “Refusal of witness to testify or produce papers,”

18 U.S. Code § 610, “Coercion of political activity.”

52 U.S. Code § 30121, “Contributions and donations by foreign nationals.”

This is not good for The Donald. From the article:

As the Senate formally opened the impeachment trial on whether to remove Donald Trump from office, a nonpartisan congressional watchdog on Thursday dealt the Republican president a blow by concluding that the White House violated the law by withholding security aid approved for Ukraine by U.S. lawmakers.

notobtuse

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

This is not good for The Donald. From the article:

As the Senate formally opened the impeachment trial on whether to remove Donald Trump from office, a nonpartisan congressional watchdog on Thursday dealt the Republican president a blow by concluding that the White House violated the law by withholding security aid approved for Ukraine by U.S. lawmakers.

How about sticking to the two ACTUAL articles of impeachment against TUMP, not trumped up other ones… abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Democrats contend that a president does not have to commit a crime to be impeached. It goes to show that Democrats are pursuing a political impeachment because they couldn’t uncover enough evidence to show a crime was committed to removed him from office. Former Harvard Law School professor, and celebrated scholar of United States constitutional law and criminal law, Alan Dershowitz said that the two articles Democrats settled on are “so vague and open ended that they could be applied in partisan fashion by a majority of the House against almost any president.” Neither are high or low crimes or misdemeanors.

Let’s take the obstruction of Congress charge. So Trump claimed executive privilege in not allowing someone to appear in front of Congress for questioning. Every president has and will do this. So therefore every president going forward can be impeached by the prescient Democrats have now set.

Also, every president has withheld monies to other countries to gain leverage. Again, every president going forward will do so. Impeachable?

Impeachable offenses????... Remember when Barack Obama and Eric Holder stonewalled Congress over Fast and Furious? Remember when Obama threatened to withhold funds to Pakistan if they didn’t do enough to disrupt the Haqqani network. Remember when Joe Biden, on behalf of Barack Obama, threatened to withhold $1 Billion in aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire the prosecutor looking into corruption of the company his son sat on the board of, by the end of the day? Ooops… I guess that means Biden should be impeached on day one if he wins.