josip wrote: » Thanks, but not displaying for me in either Firefox or Chrome.
Thud wrote: » So is it essentially a little concrete curb with the cones on it. why is it taking 9months?
Kian Fast Photography wrote: » This is Ireland, have you seen how long the new junction at near Cabinteely is taking?
Kian Fast Photography wrote: » This is Ireland...
Reati wrote: » It is!! And IIRC didn't they resurface most of that section road last year on the N11 southbound?
Kian Fast Photography wrote: » They did, I remember sitting in the traffic.
It is just one of the many bizarre factors that has made the Co Wicklow project the most delayed and over-budget road scheme in Ireland. On Thursday the road should finally be fully open, nearly a year after its final estimated completion date and at nearly double the original projected cost. Its construction has caused untold misery, delaying commuters for up to an hour as they crawled through the five and a half kilometre site, south of Bray
schmittel wrote: » I remember sitting in traffic the last time they widened the Glen. The Irish times called it the Road from Hell!https://www.irishtimes.com/news/road-from-hell-1.385011
prunudo wrote: » If they choose the red route they better make sure they have all their t's crossed and i's dotted this time around. Going by the compliants on n7 widening thread it will need to be well planned and thought out to ensure it gets delivered in a quick and efficient manner.
Minister for Transport, Seamus Brennan, who has ordered an independent review of the reasons for the time and budget overruns, says lessons have already been learned. "I think we've shown that you're better to build a fresh road," he says. "It's clearly much more expensive to upgrade an existing one." The final cost of the road, at almost €15 million a kilometre, is comparable with that of a motorway, which costs between €10 million and €20 million a kilometre.
schmittel wrote: » All routes will get challenged, but the red is the one that a) will be hardest to defend and b) take longest to defend, and runs the highest risk that the challenges will ultimately be successful and they are back at square one in ten years time.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » An offline road will almost certainly be appealed on the basis of the new road and extensive retaining structures damaging the visual amenity in a scenic location, environmental damage caused, etc. There are also plenty of wealthy people in the area to finance all manner of appeals. The online upgrade but stopping before GOTD would be the least contentious and the only way to avoid up to a decade of appeals.
josip wrote: » Instead of widening the Glen of the Downs they should make a double decker motorway. 4 lanes in both directions baby.
prunudo wrote: » Don't underestimate the amount of people who will come out of the woodwork (pardon the pun) if they choose to chop down more of the Glen of the Downs
Reati wrote: » The leader of the Green Party has already said he'll be living in the trees (again, he did last time)....
schmittel wrote: » If you're suggesting they might choose to widen the road either side of the GOTD but do nothing in the GOTD itself, then that is surely a pointless exercise because it will not solve any of the congestion or safety problems specific to that stretch. I can't see them electing for that solution. If they choose to upgrade the red road some amount of widening in the GOTD would be inevitable I think.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » The road would only be widened north of GOTD. I am saying that that would be the least contentious proposal and the one with a significantly greater chance of happening, anything else will be fought tooth and nail.
Kian Fast Photography wrote: » It would be pointless, the main problem area is between the Greystones exit and the Glenview. Kilmac village is also a bottleneck, but not as bad as the glen.
prunudo wrote: » Will be interesting to see if it becomes an election issue on the doorsteps. Depending on route choice, subsequent litigation and any down turn in the economy I can't see any major work being completed within a decade either.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Well there is little chanceof much happening within the life of the next government so anyone trying to make it into an election issue is wasting their breath. Bus lanes on the N11 is about the only thing realistically achievable. Most likely, the next government will just let the consultants get on with it and let the legal challenges play out knowing that they are only on the hook for relatively small consultant costs. If the project survives all the legal challenges, it would be up to the following government to decide if they will sign off on the likely very large construction costs.
recyclops wrote: » They should get round to cleaning up the ropes, plastic and camps they left behind from the last protest before starting another.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » That depends on what the point is. It would remove the safety issues on the road. If the intention is to eliminate congestion , a new road will take a decade to open so not much good to anyone now and even then it will only attract more traffic. Bus lanes are the only thing that can be done to address congestion in a reasonable period of time.
