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Storm Brendan Orange Warning

wiggle16

In Dublin here, so I'm not commenting on what it was like in the West, only in the East of the country really... but:

Was that it? Was that seriously it?? That bit of rain was worth a weather warning?

The weather was worse last Saturday morning FFS. I know forecasts can be wrong, but the only weather warning that was in any way justified was for Ophelia - which turned out to be nothing major in many parts of the country. I say it was justified only because of the two people killed, one of which was a freak event in all fairness.

Anyone else think the warning system should be scrapped?

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Graces7

wiggle16 wrote: »

Met Éireann are defeating the purpose of having countrywide warnings if they are going to make people complacent by issuing orange warnings in areas where they aren't warranted.

There were indications of strong possibility. Had it happened the other way round? ie turned worse than yellow?

No intelligent person is going ever to be complacent about weather at this time of year.

Giblet

Asitis2019 wrote: »

A will you go wan and get out of the park

I lived in other countries where if the forecaster said it would snow at 9pm, it would snow at 9pm.

We just don't have that accuracy here

We use the same models. We are a small island in an ocean, it's pretty difficult to be accurate.

Ipso

ednwireland wrote: »

picking up again now in SW donegal wouldnt want to be out in it thats for sure

Mind the gap!

wiggle16

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

You also said it was “nothing major”. Three people died. It was major. Like, how much worse does it have to be to qualify?

Nothing major in many parts of the country, I said. And I said the warning was justified for Ophelia.

I'm not going to argue about Ophelia, I have said it was justified in that case. I was pointing out that the storm was not as violent as expected.

wiggle16

Graces7 wrote: »

There were indications of strong possibility. Had it happened the other way round? ie turned worse than yellow?

No intelligent person is going ever to be complacent about weather at this time of year.

Okay, Graces. What about the stupid ones then?

whisky_galore

wiggle16 wrote: »

No it's not an easy task at all, and I'm not having a go at their ability to forecast or MÉ themselves. I think that this warning system should be scrapped as it's too broad, it's misleading and it inclines Met Éireann to be overly cautious too - there must be a certain amount of "what if we don't issue a warning and it gets even worse? We'll be blamed if anyone gets hurt".

I don't think it's fit for purpose.

What do you suggest?
Have you got a background in meteorology?

[Deleted User]

wiggle16 wrote: »

Okay, Graces. What about the stupid ones then?

We hope they're complacent regardless :pac:

Darwin ftw!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

wiggle16 wrote: »

Nothing major in many parts of the country, I said. And I said the warning was justified for Ophelia.

I'm not going to argue about Ophelia, I have said it was justified in that case. I was pointing out that the storm was not as violent as expected.

They didn’t know exactly where it was going to hit. It changed course a bit as it neared Ireland. The warnings were correct because had it stayed on the same track, it would have caused a lot of damage.

What do people not understand about it not being an exact science? Maybe Met Eireann are not insulting people’s intelligence and hoping that they will understand that it’s precautionary.

seamus

It was a short but hard hammering tbh. Well worthy of an orange warning; if you had to work outdoors in the east today, especially at any kind of height, you'd have been at serious risk.

A waste pipe carrying gutter water internally in our office burst during the heaviest of rain due to the volume of water. There was definitely enough in that short burst to cause flash flooding or other issues that can turn nasty very quickly.

All of the weather warnings did state between 8am and 3pm. It's not like they were telling people to batten down the hatches until tomorrow.

GLaDOS

wiggle16 wrote: »

No it's not an easy task at all, and I'm not having a go at their ability to forecast or MÉ themselves. I think that this warning system should be scrapped as it's too broad, it's misleading and it inclines Met Éireann to be overly cautious too - there must be a certain amount of "what if we don't issue a warning and it gets even worse? We'll be blamed if anyone gets hurt".

I don't think it's fit for purpose.

I think the warning system is ok in itself, maybe room for improvement, but I certainly wouldn't scrap it. I'm not convinced its communicated in the best way every time (think there was a marked improvement this time however, the forecast last night nicely explained the situation I felt.)

At least part of the problem I think is clickbait media building every weather event up unnecessarily, often taking quotes from ME or other meteorologists out of context, to make it sound more dangerous than it really is.

Orange warning was maybe over cautious for Dublin in the end, but what we got wasn't that far from what I was expecting tbh.

Graces7

wiggle16 wrote: »

Okay, Graces. What about the stupid ones then?

Sorry; power is flickering here. Lost a message.. But as a former teacher I would not ever call anyone stupid.

And I am sure from the weather forum thread that folk will not ever ignore warnings.

Excuse me please? In Red Marine area and need to light candles. Dire out here.

JohnnyFlash

Graces7 wrote: »

Sorry; power is flickering here. Lost a message.. But as a former teacher I would not ever call anyone stupid.

And I am sure from the weather forum thread that folk will not ever ignore warnings.

Excuse me please? In Red Marine area and need to light candles. Dire out here.

The power is flickering and you lost a message? Huh?

Tacitus Kilgore

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Most of those outages are due to vegetation hitting the lines and causing a trip fault.

This wasn’t a significant storm event. In Dublin it was nothing more than a few moderate gusts and some rain. I hit the golf links this morning hoping for some proper wind and rain so I could work on playing in those conditions. Didn’t even have to take the wet weather gear out of the bag.

Tellus, what caused the vegetation to hit the lines?

This was a significant storm event, in many places, except for dublin CC, a fuckin tiny geographical area.

Yourself, Emmet & Paddy would be better off staying out on the golf course with yizzer big bag of cans and each others balls tightly hand-cupped and not be in here wasting your time with all the nerds on boards.

Tipperary animal lover

Im not on social media anyone have the video of the trampoline taken a road trip in limerick

sirmixalot

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Im not on social media anyone have the video of the trampoline taken a road trip in limerick

Video half way down this page
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/incredible-footage-shows-trampoline-blown-21270650

[Deleted User]

Met Eireann are in the unfortunate position of having to deal with twitter histrionics. Everyone is now an armchair expert. They have a tough gig with pedants ready to proclaim "I told you so!" if the forecast isn't 100% accurate. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't. The colour-coded system ultimately played right into the hands of the tabloids, sharpening their knives. Evelyn Cusack has a near impossible balancing act, but as long as lives are saved by issuing warnings early then I salute her.

EmmetSpiceland

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Met Eireann are in the unfortunate position of having to deal with twitter histrionics. Everyone is now an armchair expert. They have a tough gig dealing with pedants ready to proclaim "I told you so!" if the forecast isn't 100% accurate. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't. The colour-coded system ultimately played right into the hands of the tabloids, sharpening their knives. Evelyn Cusack has a near impossible balancing act, but as long as lives are saved by issuing warnings early then I salute her.

They could do with adjusting the levels, the “yellow” warning is pointless.

Arghus

They're dealing with weather which is dynamic and hard to predict so while an Orange warning probably isn't strictly necessary for all the of the places that got one it's better to err on the side of caution if in doubt, because things can't be predicted by 100% accuracy.

I suppose that brings with the disadvantage that some man babies on the Internet get a bit gleefully annoyed because it wasn't too bad exactly where they were. Life is tough.

Necro

Power completely out here where I am for the last 30 mins or so, just checked ESB and looks like multiple faults so itll be a quiet one in the Necro household:(

ChikiChiki

wiggle16 wrote: »

Met Éireann are defeating the purpose of having countrywide warnings if they are going to make people complacent by issuing orange warnings in areas where they aren't warranted.

You would swear we are living on a huge landmass and not a tiny island. Weather is unpredictable, it can change very quickly in our climate. There is only a couple of hours between the east and west coasts. Sure it is never going to be bang on the money but they got it right today.

People have been injured in some parts of the country.

I think the fact that everyone seems to want something in an instant largely driven by social media, they now want their bloody storms delivered in an instant.

[Deleted User]

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

wiggle16

Arghus wrote: »

I suppose that brings with the disadvantage that some man babies on the Internet get a bit gleefully annoyed because it wasn't too bad exactly where they were. Life is tough.

Oh please....

Letwin_Larry

i think it's that time of the year when it rains a lot, often cold and blustery, with the occasional snow shower.
in my day we called it "WINTER".

Arghus

wiggle16 wrote: »

Oh please....

I'm completely right.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

i think it's that time of the year when it rains a lot, often cold and blustery, with the occasional snow shower.
in my day we called it "WINTER".

This has been a noticeably bad winter in some parts of the country. How unobservant does one have to be to not be able to discern one winter from another and when one is particularly bad or particularly pleasant?

wiggle16

Arghus wrote: »

I'm completely right.

You think I'm annoyed that the weather wasn't worse?

Arghus

wiggle16 wrote: »

You think I'm annoyed that the weather wasn't worse?

What I thought was what I wrote.

owlbethere

Brendan you bastard

wiggle16

Arghus wrote: »

What I thought was what I wrote.

And you thought it's what I wrote too. You can write but can't read, apparently. I'm not annoyed that the weather wasn't worse. I'm slightly irritated that a general warning was given where it needn't have been general, and it's not the first time.

And no, before you say it, that's not the same thing.

Tacitus Kilgore

wiggle16 wrote: »

And you thought it's what I wrote too. You can write but can't read, apparently. I'm not annoyed that the weather wasn't worse. I'm slightly irritated that a general warning was given where it needn't have been general, and it's not the first time.

And no, before you say it, that's not the same thing.

It wasn't needed, in Dublin, but easily could have been, and was warranted 20km out the road from Dublin CC for sure. You'd be on bitching if it was worse and there was no warning. It's inifinitely better to be prepared.