Leroy42 wrote: » It is really something that we are now supposed to believe the security services, which only recently Trump was claiming the FBI were actively out to get him and that he believed Putin over them. But now we are supposed to accept that not only are they people Trump trusts, but people we should all trust without any actual evidence. And it is something that I have personally picked up on recently. Americans have no understanding of how they are viewed in areas like the ME. Many of them seem to have swallowed the line that they are delivering democracy to the world and that their bombs and drone strikes are welcomed by those in the area, well those not killed! So they have every right to be upset and want retribution for any lost citizens, but any killings they are involved in are simply the costs of democracy. Why can they not see that they way they feel when their soldiers are killed, is the same way that say the Iraqis feel when a drone strike takes out a wedding party.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Who's side are you on? The guys a killer the world's better off without him. Let's say Leo ordered it, would it be ok then.
Leroy42 wrote: » So you have no actual numbers? You are sending me to an opinion piece? I'll try again. How many billions did Obama send to Iran and when?
listermint wrote: » Sides.... This is hilarious. Come on its not school fella
drunkmonkey wrote: » 1.3 billion and 25cent, how would I have an exact number. It was over a billion in cash and 100 million odd in aid. Are you disputing he supported the Iranians with any money?
drunkmonkey wrote: » He seems to be anti this guy been taken out. So he's on the do nothing side. I'm happy he's gone as I believe it's good for Iran and the middle east.
Leroy42 wrote: » I am the side of legality and truth, because that is what democracy is supposed to be built on. Whose side on you on? You prefer that laws can simply be broken because it suits your goals?
drunkmonkey wrote: » So you believe in democracy and the Democratically elected president. Good. In relation to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Soleimani, who cares about checks and balances just kill these guys. No permission needed. There lawless men.
Leroy42 wrote: » He seems? So you are just making stuff up at this point. It isn't anti to ask questions. Do you accept anything that happens by people you support?
drunkmonkey wrote: » You seem upset that Soleimani was taken out, maybe your happy, it's not coming across like that. Or is it he didn't get due process and a fair trail you take issue with. He's not the type of guy you can arrest. No harm in asking questions. I'm not sure who I support. I support trump in this move regardless of motive it's a good thing.
Leroy42 wrote: » Fine. Where is the line then? Who gets to decide when law should be followed and when it shouldn't? You do realise that that is exactly the way they think? But they are terrorists and you are what exactly?
listermint wrote: » I'd imagine you'd support trump in any move frankly. It wouldn't matter what it was. That much is evident
drunkmonkey wrote: » The line is killing, your open to retribution from that moment on. The law isn't fit for purpose in a lot of ways, especially when it comes to justice. There was no way to take this man to task.
drunkmonkey wrote: » So there Terrorists and as we in the west want them dead were Terrorists too, I don't agree with that logic, Trump, Leo, Justin, Angela, Putin, Boris are not killing their own people.
Leroy42 wrote: » I only seem upset that he was taken out because you are not reading what I am saying. Nearly ever person that speaks on this topic, make it clear that him being dead is not something to be sad about. How can you support Trump on this when it is clear he had no basis for what he did?
drunkmonkey wrote: » So your happy he's gone because he was a killer but your not happy as there was no basis for killing him.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Not necessarily, I just couldn't support anyone on the left, same as I couldn't the last time. At least American is lucky to have two polar opposites. As for here I don't know what way to vote, FG probably as I'm not homeless and don't need a hospital bed. I feel a bit guilty though as feel like a FF supporter back in the tiger days, I know I'm doing wrong but the other side is an unknown and doesn't look any different.
Leroy42 wrote: » So on that logic, Trump is a legitimate target for Iran? You would be perfectly understanding if that happened? And killing who? Why did Trump not kill MLB after the murder of the journalist. Why no KJU after the death of Otto? No I never said they were. I simply said that that as we think of them as terrorists, they think of the likes of the US as terrorists. I note as well that you have given up to try give any facts about the billions that Obama gave to Iran.
listermint wrote: » Is this a spoof ? You don't have a vote in America your Irish. What vote are you talking about. There is no left in America. Zero none zilch. Folks support trump not because of policy because it's grand for Winding people up on the internet and they feel much more comfortable in the other opposing category. Doesn't matter what the category is.
drunkmonkey wrote: » I mean the Democrats when I say the left. Trump would get my vote as he's a businessman rather than a career politician and I think he's doing a good job, the word just feels safer with him at the helm.
drunkmonkey wrote: » He's a Target for a lot of people all US presidents are, I wouldn't like if it happened, I'd like to see him continue as president and maybe Don Jnr when he retires. I don't know why he didn't wipe out the other guys, there all tricky situation that could result in a lot of deaths, I'd be hoping Korea would be United peacefully in my time. As for the money, neither of us were there, I'll believe my sources and you can believe yours. I believe he supported the Iranium regieme.
listermint wrote: » You can spin it as much a you like but when you said in your last post Don Jr for president I know what your on about.
Leroy42 wrote: » You lef tout the word legitimate. Do you believe that if Iran took Trump out you would be acting the same way as you are now? I know you are messing about Don Jr, as nobody in any seriousness can make that remark at this time. Not that he couldn't be great, but we simply have nothing, apart from his name of course. So I am going to give you the benefit that you are joking. But you know why he killed Soleimani, and that Obama paid billions to Iran. Yet you simply shrug your shoulders when asked why about others. Even you can see that there is no consistency in his reason, so why do you accept it without question. Money? I don't have any sources and all I am asking if that you provide yours. Are they whilsteblowers or something that you can't divulge? Why make a statement like that and then refuse to provide any backup? It almost as if you don't have any.
volchitsa wrote: » You realise they were doing this already and Soleimani's murder initially united them?
sid waddell wrote: » In terms of the history of US-Iran relations, Iran has been the more sinned against party, and it isn't remotely close, it's pretty much all one way.
Leroy42 wrote: » I would just like to know. You stated it so I assume you have some facts to back it up. The fact that you are know coming back with playground backchat would lead me to think that you read it or heard it somewhere and simply accepted it as the truth without checking for yourself.
