wandererz wrote: » That being said, it reduces confidence in the 737-800's & other models recently manufactured.
Nijmegen wrote: » https://www.thejournal.ie/ukrainian-airline-crash-in-iran-4959031-Jan2020/ The Iranians have released a preliminary report stating: -The aircraft disappeared from radar at 8,000 feet -The crew made no call for help -The black boxes were damaged and their memory is incomplete Some technical fault that took out everything electronic including the backups and brought the plane down in a blaze. Pity about the black boxes being corrupted. As accidents go that would be pretty spectacular. I mean, it’s interesting that exactly the same thing happened to MH17 re the crew not getting radio off (on account of being dead, in that particular case) but I suppose we’ll just have to trust the Iranians on this, won’t we?
IE 222 wrote: » The plane was trying to turn back or maybe find a dark spot as they where flying over a populated area, which suggests they were alive and in fact fighting against the odds till the end.
Nijmegen wrote: » You’d expect the preliminary report with those sorts of details in this timeframe for a crash on land. It doesn’t take that long to find out the aircraft went off radar at such and such a time. Perhaps their calls of it being a technical malfunction the night it came down was a bit quick. The black boxes being (a) damaged and (b) not gonna be handed over to external parties so far, is mega suspicious under the circumstances. At the moment you have to stop and have a real long think to discern a scenario in which the aircraft goes down in a ball of flames without so much as a mayday due to a technical fault. Meanwhile, the notion of a missile would explain away that sort of a crash pretty simply.
crisco10 wrote: » At this risk of sound like a conspiracy theorist, the Iranians seem to have gathered a helluva lot of information in the last 24 hours.
Letwin_Larry wrote: » i agree and most of seems to dismiss any theory that supports foul play. either they are correct and have carried out a full investigation within 48 hours, or they are trying to hide something. it would be interesting to know exactly who was on that plane. were there any high ranking US diplomats/officials? we may never know.
Nijmegen wrote: » As I say, I just struggle to think of a technical fault that takes it down in a blaze whilst also killing the communications (the reason she went off radar was because the transponder cut out also). And as for them acting professionally, they had called it a tech fault the night of the accident and are being selective in who they invite to the party. That kind of behaviour will always drive suspicion.
Dr. Bre wrote: » I think all nationalities were named that was on the plane . A lot of Canadians I think
IE 222 wrote: » The Iranians seem to acting very professionally ... The article says some data is missing, this could mean the recorders lost power at the time the incident took place but yet the plane kept flying.
cnocbui wrote: » The flight data recorders have an independent power supply. Iran not making the flight data recorders available to accredited outside agencies is not a great example of acting professionally. I can understand being miffed about Boeing and anything US, at the moment, but there's the EU, who have been trying to keep the nuclear deal going and have been trying to counter US financial strictures that make sanctions possible and construct work-arounds to help Iran out.
Letwin_Larry wrote: » now reporting that one of the plane's engines overheated shortly after takeoff, and that the pilot tried to turn back to the airport before crashing.https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-iran-plane-crash-pilot-21243795
IE 222 wrote: » A team of Ukrainian investigators are travelling to Iran to help. As I said if Iran have the facilities and ability to download and read the data recorders then there is simply no need for them to send them elsewhere.
cnocbui wrote: » Yes there is. Independent verification being the least of it. Iran is a very bad actor on the world stage and their word isn't to be trusted or given credence.
That's not how radar works. It may have disappeared of FR24 when the transponder cut, but wouldn't have disappeared off radar until it got below the the line of sight of the radar.
IE 222 wrote: » Do you trust the Ukrainians?
cnocbui wrote: » A lot more than I do Iran. In this instance, most definitely.
Nijmegen wrote: » To the point of professionalism, it's normal for air accident investigations to be extensively multi-party. Countries that close the door in them tend to be ones with something to hide, ala Egypt pulling the plug on an intl investigation of 990 when it started to lead in directions they didn't like. If the Iranians want a creditable investigation they should bring in more European agencies of good standing. At this stage however with the FDRs damaged they may have passed the window of being able to keep their credibility. The issue now is that you have a pretty dramatic downing of an airliner at a time when Iran was on high military alert, you have fishy statements made immediately after it was downed, you have Iran tightly controlling who gets in on the investigation and now a damaged FDR. If it was a true mechanical failure or some accident, their behavior makes it a lot less likely the cause will be discovered convincingly and in a manner that will lead to safety improvements given the pall over the investigation. The radar used by the civil authorities, which is what I would presume they're talking about when they say it went off radar, is reliant on the transponder though. The transponder going off and no communications from the aircraft indicates a pretty significant event. The turn of the aircraft is interesting. Maybe someone was at the controls, or maybe it entered a bank due to the damage that was also causing the fire.
