Nijmegen wrote: » As I say, I just struggle to think of a technical fault that takes it down in a blaze whilst also killing the communications (the reason she went off radar was because the transponder cut out also). And as for them acting professionally, they had called it a tech fault the night of the accident and are being selective in who they invite to the party. That kind of behaviour will always drive suspicion.
IE 222 wrote: » The Iranians seem to acting very professionally ... The article says some data is missing, this could mean the recorders lost power at the time the incident took place but yet the plane kept flying.
Dr. Bre wrote: » I think all nationalities were named that was on the plane . A lot of Canadians I think
Letwin_Larry wrote: » i agree and most of seems to dismiss any theory that supports foul play. either they are correct and have carried out a full investigation within 48 hours, or they are trying to hide something. it would be interesting to know exactly who was on that plane. were there any high ranking US diplomats/officials? we may never know.
crisco10 wrote: » At this risk of sound like a conspiracy theorist, the Iranians seem to have gathered a helluva lot of information in the last 24 hours.
Nijmegen wrote: » You’d expect the preliminary report with those sorts of details in this timeframe for a crash on land. It doesn’t take that long to find out the aircraft went off radar at such and such a time. Perhaps their calls of it being a technical malfunction the night it came down was a bit quick. The black boxes being (a) damaged and (b) not gonna be handed over to external parties so far, is mega suspicious under the circumstances. At the moment you have to stop and have a real long think to discern a scenario in which the aircraft goes down in a ball of flames without so much as a mayday due to a technical fault. Meanwhile, the notion of a missile would explain away that sort of a crash pretty simply.
IE 222 wrote: » The plane was trying to turn back or maybe find a dark spot as they where flying over a populated area, which suggests they were alive and in fact fighting against the odds till the end.
Nijmegen wrote: » https://www.thejournal.ie/ukrainian-airline-crash-in-iran-4959031-Jan2020/ The Iranians have released a preliminary report stating: -The aircraft disappeared from radar at 8,000 feet -The crew made no call for help -The black boxes were damaged and their memory is incomplete Some technical fault that took out everything electronic including the backups and brought the plane down in a blaze. Pity about the black boxes being corrupted. As accidents go that would be pretty spectacular. I mean, it’s interesting that exactly the same thing happened to MH17 re the crew not getting radio off (on account of being dead, in that particular case) but I suppose we’ll just have to trust the Iranians on this, won’t we?
wandererz wrote: » That being said, it reduces confidence in the 737-800's & other models recently manufactured.
wandererz wrote: » No. Approximately 522 people have lost their lives in 14 months in 3 events.
wandererz wrote: » Added to that, there are now issues surfacing about wiring on the Max series. It seems to be a corporate culture of expediency, covering things up & forgetting about crew & passengers in order to maximise profit. It's taken them this long to stop manufacture of the Max series. It should have happened months ago until a clear path was established & certifications obtained.
wandererz wrote: » 1+1 = 7
L1011 wrote: » And then implied it was a bomb. No actual reportage.
L1011 wrote: » You also need to learn that the Daily Mail is basically considered to be the last place you go for aviation content.
wandererz wrote: » "BNO Media reported the incident on Tuesday night and said Iranian media reported the plane suffered technical problems then went down minutes after take-off in Tehran" .
L1011 wrote: » Except it didn't. I have linked to the state of the article at the time you linked to it, thanks to the wonders of an archiving site that has 24 different captures of it today alone. I checked before I pointed out that you were bluffing. Nobody was saying it was a mechanical failure then because it was incredibly soon after it happened and there was no info.
wandererz wrote: » No, I selected one that mentioned that it was mechanical failure. As time progressed, the article has been updated & is NOT the original word for word article I linked.
L1011 wrote: » You selected the one that implied it was a bomb? When now trying to claim that there were already reports, minutes after the incident, saying it was mechanical issues? This story doesn't wash at all.
wandererz wrote: » There were multiple reports across different news agencies. I selected one rather than everything I read. I left it to people to go & research for themselves.
L1011 wrote: » At the time you posted this thread, there was absolutely and utterly nothing at all suggesting mechanical failure on the link you posted considering it was minutes after it happened. You decided to blame Boeing yourself.
wandererz wrote: » Yes, you are wrong. I'm saying that considering everything that's come to light out of the Max saga, confidence has been reduced. As has happened with other companies in the past they adopted a deniability model until questioned & proved wrong. I am saying that I don't believe that one passenger aircraft division of the same company is different from another in its culture, methodology and day to day operations. They are not islands unto themselves, otherwise they would not be able to pass technical research onto each other. The only thing that will dictate why the UIA flight crashed will be the ultimate investigative report.
wandererz wrote: » I'm not passing judgement. The original post was based on reports that it was mechanical failure.
Fritzbox wrote: » Well indeed, why not wait until the report is released - and desist from propagandizing and Boeing bashing in the meantime?
California Dreamer wrote: » Wanderez, It’s a good thing that the NTSB, Boeing, his holiness the pope, Allah, Bono, Waldo and the tooth fairy have you on board to point fingers, lay blame and ultimately pass judgement on this crash. ������
