Junkyard Tom wrote: » We watch their TV, support their football teams, speak their language, we've emmigrated there in the hundreds of thousands and integrated, we've welcomed 200,000 British people here in the last two decades. Anti-British? There's nowhere on this Earth more accomodating of the British than Ireland despite their rotten legacy here. We are a very forgive-and-forget people. But it's not enough for some, they want us to bend-the-knee to our colonial tormentors. Fuck that, don't push it.
seamus wrote: » Gotta give Leo credit for clever trolling tbh, mainly because he's right. The outrage over this does suggest that the recent talk of a United Ireland is premature and there's a lot of growing up still to be done.
markodaly wrote: » What? Get the **** out of here. We have people in this thread dragging up the English Norman invasion of 1169 FFS. I dont know of other nation states that harps on about 800 years of 'occupation' and such. The whole controversy about the RIC lifts the lid on how much we still remember and how much of our Irishness is dependant on being anti-British and anti-'Crown'. Labels like West-Brit, used as a pejorative is thrown around like conefetti to those who are deemed lesser and other, then the 'true' Irish people because some grandfather of theirs smacked an RIC officer over the head with a hurley. We give grief to Unionists and Orangemen about their veneration of William of Orange and the Battle of the Boyne, yet wholeheartedly do the same ourselves. Forgive and forget my hole! As to British or English people living here, only perhaps in the past 20 years or so has it been acceptable in society as I know many older types how got awful grief and hassle. Lets not dig too much into how after the Free-State was founded that there was a minor sort of ethnic cleansing to Unionists and Protdestants in the south. I remember myself working in a supermarket, with an English lad, where the many customers upon hearing his accent would pull me aside and tell me 'Why isnt an Irish boy doing his job' and 'That boy should not be working in this shop'... and this was only 20 years ago. The only racism that is acceptable in Ireland is that agaisnt Travellers and 'Da Brits', but sure we are a great bunch of lads :rolleyes: Forgive and forget..please.
Fann Linn wrote: » Why would anyone commemorate their oppressors?
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » Nobody would. Which prooves the point that the RIC and DMP were not oppressors. They were us.
Zebra3 wrote: » The irony of Ulster unionists moaning about a lack of inclusivity when most of them wish it was 1965.
fundi wrote: » To most Dubliners in 1916 the terrorists and oppressors were the insurgents. Only after the executions did the mood change.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Person ranting about forgiving and forgetting remembers stuff from 20 years ago, his fathers generation, and post the foundation of the state... to rant about.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The Good Friday Agreement was a deal agreed between the governments of Ireland and the UK and ratified by referendums here and in NI. It contains the mechanism for a border poll.
Yes, it is a ridiculous notion. .
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » Even the changing mood is a subsequent myth. There was indeed a change of mood, which supported the secessionist movement of the few years thereafter. But it was in the manner of a backlash or temporary reaction, that while it led to the free state, was, and still is, regretted by many is having been a rather hotheaded mistake. But that doesnt suit the 'official' history some like to see as fact rather than opinion.
careless sherpa wrote: » And if it does highlight anything it is the level of nationalist sentiment just under the surface. Once the balance tips in the six counties, unification is a done deal
fundi wrote: » Correct. The RIC were just public servants, and doing a job for the government of the time. As far as I remember over 500 were murdered, with many more injured, intimidated, burnt out. The real oppressors were the terrorists / rebels / call them what you want.
markodaly wrote: » The demographic inevitability has been shown to be a fallacy.
seamus wrote: » Gotta give Leo credit for clever trolling tbh, mainly because he's right.
Zebra3 wrote: » The rest of us were minding our own business and getting on with life. .
jmcc wrote: » Do you still think that Vivaldi got his nickname from "wearing a red cape"? Any more of these strange ideas? Regards...jmcc
Zebra3 wrote: » Speak for yourself. They weren't me. I don't go around exploding grenades in people's mouths. Or hunting down democratically elected members of parliament.
careless sherpa wrote: » In what way?
markodaly wrote: » Getting on with life... by going apocalyptic about a commemeration of the RIC/DMP, that they are free not to attend. Pull the other one.
markodaly wrote: » It states nothing on how it should be run, (in unison vs seperate for South/North) nor does it state anything on how a UI will take shape after such a poll.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Can you point out in the GFA where a poll is required in the South?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ha ha ha...I think there are a few people here and in FG wh could be described fairly as 'apocalyptic'. Lashing out at all and sundry because they didn't get their way. The poster is right, there was absolutely no problem with the recommendations of the EG when they published them. The problems arose when Leo and crew decided to give formal state commemorations against the advice of the EG. Simple as.
