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RIC and DMP to be commemorated this month

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Apparently a ceremony is going to be held attended by the Minister for Justice and Garda Commissioner to comemorate members of the DMP (Dublin Metropolitan Police) and RIC (Royal Irish Constabulary) killed during the Irish Revolution.

Does anyone else think this is grotesque?

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pjohnson

Unionists arent even able to organise a Northern Irish government. Any reunification will likely ignore Arlene screaming at the clouds.

markodaly

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

800 years!!!!!!!!!!

800 no less.

Well 753 years has less of a ring to it.

I swear, many Irish people think Irish history is a rebel song.

An Ciarraioch

Strangely enough, the centenary of Northern Ireland next year will probably be far less controversial - whoever will be Minister for Foreign Affairs will presumably go to Belfast, along with a few historical talks on both sides of the Border.

Zebra3

saabsaab wrote: »

I don't believe you are being fair, nobody was saying that, just wanted to remember Irishmen on the wrong side of history. You'd swear some thought they wanted to make God save the King the national anthem!

Hard to believe somebody could actually post something so brain dead.

The RIC were fighting to retain GSTK as the national anthem!!!

Jaysus fcking wept. :rolleyes:

Junkyard Tom

bubblypop wrote: »

Just the attitude that means we will never be a united country.

Larbre34 wrote: »

Certainly, but how much resistance and legitimate criticism do you want to arm them with?

To be frank I don't care what they say or think, particularly their politicians. Get back to me when Unionists formally apologise for their treatment of the minority in the north for its first 50 years and I might reconsider.

In the meantime Unionists won't be asked to bend the knee to our Republican past, nor should anyone feel the need to bend the knee to their rotten legacy in Ireland.

hatrickpatrick

KWAG2019 wrote: »

This has revealed the people here, in media, in academia and politics with a real problem with the fact that we fought for and won our independence. The amount of internalized colonialism is astonishing to see. Spurious and irrelevant points are made and repeated ad nauseam. The people are denigrated, mocked, sneered at by supposedly superior intellects. The self styled intellectual elite of the RIC commemorations have shown how they regard this country and our freedom.

Many of these are unionists and do not recognize it.

So many people talk as if the IRA were worse, and it really, really astonishes me and pisses me off. I'm no fan of what the Provos did once they lost the head and morphed from a paramilitary organisation protecting communities in NI and attacking Crown forces to randomly murdering civilians in pubs and the like, but the root fact remains that while both sides committed atrocities even during the Troubles, one side's cause was to keep people down and the other side's cause was to stop those people being kept down. There's a fundamental difference between a side which fights to maintain power over others and a side which seeks to free people from that power, and anyone who makes a direct comparison without acknowledging that is talking utter bullsh!t.

Fighting to maintain control of people who have democratically decided they don't want to be controlled will always be morally worse than fighting to free one's self and one's people from that control.

tayto lover

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm a young person who was devastated and appalled when I heard about this. I can't even imagine what it must be like for someone who lived through The Troubles and saw what the crown forces were willing to do in order to maintain the oppression of Irish people, or even had parents or aunts or uncles who were directly brutalised by the scumbags that were the RIC during the War of Independence.

I must ask Srameen what it was like back then.

Naggdefy

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The RIC were the state and legitimate. They cannot be relabled post hoc.

After the 1918 general election the RIC were by no means legitimate by democratic will of the Irish people.

jmcc

Deleted User wrote: »

Spin another record.

Oh God, no!

People had to give up listening to LyricFM in the morning because of this. It would be the auditory equivalent of sailing a destroyer up the Liffey and bombarding Dublin with low-brow "classical" music.

Regards...jmcc

hatrickpatrick

KWAG2019 wrote: »

As a senior citizen I am crying tears of relief that this dishonour to our country and our patriot dead has been stopped. So many ordinary people have been abused by those who say we have no historical nuance, no maturity, are exclusionary that that in itself is a separate affront.

I'm a young person who was devastated and appalled when I heard about this. I can't even imagine what it must be like for someone who lived through The Troubles and saw what the crown forces were willing to do in order to maintain the oppression of Irish people, or even had parents or aunts or uncles who were directly brutalised by the scumbags that were the RIC during the War of Independence.

Kermit.de.frog

800 years!!!!!!!!!!

800 no less.

ygolometsipe

Cody montana wrote: »

Probably will still win though.

A diabolical record on housing.
Bizarre free market policies / vulture / cuckoo funds.
Disgrace-full handling of the children's hospital / budget.
Irritating cosying up to the Unionists.
A "bluff it" policy to difficult issues.
No policy to everything else.

Commemorating the ****ing RIC!!!!

A **** government all round. I really hope they don't get elected.

KWAG2019

This has revealed the people here, in media, in academia and politics with a real problem with the fact that we fought for and won our independence. The amount of internalized colonialism is astonishing to see. Spurious and irrelevant points are made and repeated ad nauseam. The people are denigrated, mocked, sneered at by supposedly superior intellects. The self styled intellectual elite of the RIC commemorations have shown how they regard this country and our freedom.

Many of these are unionists and do not recognize it.

jmcc

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Those killed in the rising were the enemies of the state of the time. The RIC were the state and legitimate.

You were a more plausible WUM when you were on the Marty Whelan/LyricFM threads trying to convince people that Marty Whelan knew where Vivaldi got his "Red Priest" nickname.

Regards...jmcc

Galwayguy35

saabsaab wrote: »

I don't believe you are being fair, nobody was saying that, just wanted to remember Irishmen on the wrong side of history. You'd swear some thought they wanted to make God save the King the national anthem!

They were traitors who stood by while the Tans butchered their countrymen and sometimes were involved in murders themselves, that's how they should be remembered.

[Deleted User]

Cody montana wrote: »

Probably will still win though.

They were certs to win before this so you’d have to wonder what the advisors were smoking.

Plumbthedepths

Fann Linn wrote: »

So moving forward with your logic, you want to commemorate a force that indulged in state sponsored terrorism.

Seriously this poster is a well known WUM, best to avoid tbh.

Cody montana

ygolometsipe wrote: »

This will go down in history as the biggest self sabotage by a political party right before an election.

The memes are great!!! never liked this Fine Gael government TBH...

Probably will still win though.

Fann Linn

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Those killed in the rising were the enemies of the state of the time. The RIC were the state and legitimate. They cannot be relabled post hoc. Had the British subsequently invaded the south and reneged on The Treaty, then they would indeed have been emenies of the Free State. But before that, they werent.

That it will now be left to voluntary supporters to mount this deferred commemoration is reminder, of a magnitude that we have not seen for decades, of how backward, of how poorly, and immaturely, much of southern Ireland has come to term with its past.

So moving forward with your logic, you want to commemorate a force that indulged in state sponsored terrorism.

[Deleted User]

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Those killed in the rising were the enemies of the state of the time. The RIC were the state and legitimate. They cannot be relabled post hoc. Had the British subsequently invaded the south and reneged on The Treaty, then they would indeed have been emenies of the Free State. But before that, they werent.

That it will now be left to voluntary supporters to mount this deferred commemoration is reminder, of a magnitude that we have not seen for decades, of how backward, of how poorly, and immaturely, much of southern Ireland has come to term with its past.

Spin another record.

FrancieBrady

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Those killed in the rising were the enemies of the state of the time. The RIC were the state and legitimate. They cannot be relabled post hoc. Had the British subsequently invaded the south and reneged on The Treaty, then they would indeed have been emenies of the Free State. But before that, they werent.

That it will now be left to voluntary supporters to mount this deferred commemoration is reminder, of a magnitude that we have not seen for decades, of how backward, of how poorly, and immaturely, much of southern Ireland has come to term with its past.

For once you are correct. They were not a part of our state.

The Rape of Lucretia

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The state doesn't hold commemorations for the IRA or Sinn Fein either as far as I know.

You are correct on this.
And nor should it commemorate terrorist criminals.

The Rape of Lucretia

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We managed to hold inclusive and respectful commemoration for all those killed in the Rising in 2016 (albeit after this same government where forced to withdraw an insulting video and had their cards marked).
There is mutual respect, what there isn't is a tolerance for whitewashing and rehabilitating enemies of this state whether they be British or Irish.

Those killed in the rising were the enemies of the state of the time. The RIC were the state and legitimate. They cannot be relabled post hoc. Had the British subsequently invaded the south and reneged on The Treaty, then they would indeed have been emenies of the Free State. But before that, they werent.

That it will now be left to voluntary supporters to mount this deferred commemoration is reminder, of a magnitude that we have not seen for decades, of how backward, of how poorly, and immaturely, much of southern Ireland has come to term with its past.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Didn't the IRA and Sinn Féin not recognise the state until recently?

They didn't really care about the state that was formed much back then.

The state doesn't hold commemorations for the IRA or Sinn Fein either as far as I know.

happyoutscan

Delighted.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Huh?

The PIRA killed over 400 Irish Catholics during the troubles.

Why should they be commemorated?

The RIC shouldnt and neither should the PIRA by Sinn Féin.

The RIC are, every year by the Irish Police Commemoration Committee (can't think of their acronym at the minute)

[Deleted User]

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

No it doesn’t. This is Ireland. Commemorate whoever you want in the UK.

People in Ireland were killed by the PIRA

saabsaab

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So we should commerate traitors and murderers just to keep Lizzie Winsdors fan club happy?

No thanks.

I don't believe you are being fair, nobody was saying that, just wanted to remember Irishmen on the wrong side of history. You'd swear some thought they wanted to make God save the King the national anthem!

ygolometsipe

This will go down in history as the biggest self sabotage by a political party right before an election.

The memes are great!!! never liked this Fine Gael government TBH...

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody is stopping the family members of the RIC/DMP or even the B&T's from commemorating their family members.

Why would you represent it as that? It had nothing to do with families of the deceased.
It was about the integrity of a state commemorating organisations that tried to prevent that state from existing.

Didn't the IRA and Sinn Féin not recognise the state until recently?

They didn't really care about the state that was formed much back then.