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RIC and DMP to be commemorated this month

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Apparently a ceremony is going to be held attended by the Minister for Justice and Garda Commissioner to comemorate members of the DMP (Dublin Metropolitan Police) and RIC (Royal Irish Constabulary) killed during the Irish Revolution.

Does anyone else think this is grotesque?

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Snow Garden

Embarassing climbdown by Fine Gael.

This island is so not ready for unification.

Fann Linn

bubblypop wrote: »

Ridiculous.
Ireland had always been part of the UK, that was life. So any of the Irishmen who joined the police, did just that, joined their police force.

Okay Jeffrey

Millionaire only not

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Not a great performance by Flanagan on drive time to say the least and Wilson wasn't up for letting him off the hook.

She was poor enough a good presenter would have done like gay Byrne did to Padraig Flynn with his arrogance !
Flanagan was full of it this evening too !

Snow Garden

Millionaire only not wrote: »

She was poor enough a good presenter would have done like gay Byrne did to Padraig Flynn with his arrogance !
Flanagan was full of it this evening too !

He was terrible on drivetime. Have FG any decent TDs?

beggars_bush

I think ye are all getting very worked up about nothing

ChikiChiki

beggars_bush wrote: »

I think ye are all getting very worked up about nothing

Nothing to you. Try tell that to the living family of the two young lads who were killed after being beaten when grenades were put in their mouths.

FrancieBrady

Larbre34 wrote: »

Hidden in the shadows while all the nationalist and republican elements get a "decade of commemoration"

And I say this as an avowed nationalist, who craves reunification and whose wife's family have links to some of the great Protestant agitators.

The only way to escape unionist brickbats is to stop behaving exactly like them!!

Seems to me to be the exact opposite to being 'in the shadows'. The Irish people had this thing put to bed within 24 hours such was the force of their certainty on it.
Nobody 'commemorates' their oppressors and Unionists will have to live with that. Just as we have long ago accepted that Unionists are not required in any shape or form to commemorate our independence or anything they see as anathema to them.
'It is for the people of this island to decide their future', was not just for Christmas, so to speak.

whisky_galore

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the Civil War commemorations play out because, quite frankly, some massive skeletons in the closet will be tumbling out and a lot of uncomfortable truths. We'd want to be ready and adult about that.

Lolzers.

This is but a taster of non stop online ding dongs from here on over whose granddaddy did what.

2022/2023 is going to be very awkward and inconvenient.

Zebra3

Snow Garden wrote: »

He was terrible on drivetime. Have FG any decent TDs?

Farrell and Bailey, I think are their two most honest, decent TDs.

FrancieBrady

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Didn't really see anything wrong with the basic concept of commemoration TBH.

It was rather naive of the Government to think this would ever really fly.

People have their views and ultimately they are fairly entrenched views that are simply not for moving. Which is fair enough.

The simple reality is that Irish history, partially societal Irish history, is complex and extremely nuanced; if we continue to just follow one narrative then we won't ever really educate ourselves.

I say that as the proud grandson of a man who fought in the War of Independence and from a fairly nationalist background, however, my great great(?) grand uncle was an RIC constable and a well regarded man too. Keeping the peace (like a regular Guard today). A job basically.

It will be interesting to see how the Civil War commemorations play out because, quite frankly, some massive skeletons in the closet will be tumbling out and a lot of uncomfortable truths. We'd want to be ready and adult about that.

There is very little entrenched about the views in the south. Look at the inclusive and respectful commemorations of 1916. What this demonstrates is that whitewashing or santitising will not be allowed by the Irish people. Ferriter and the Espert Committee are rigt, the appropriate forum for this was an academic event where the actions and unique positions Irish people found themselves in could be discussed and documented.

Flanagan went on a solo run here by the looks of it or a triumvirate of him, Leo and Madigan and managed to spectacularly undo the good work.

Galwayguy35

bubblypop wrote: »

Just the attitude that means we will never be a united country.
If that's what you want, you need to include all people living here.

So we should commerate traitors and murderers just to keep Lizzie Winsdors fan club happy?

No thanks.

Jinglejangle69

Can people now realise the hurt Irish
families who had members killed by the PIRA feel when they see Sinn Féin bombers asking for votes and standing in the Dáil or commemorating PIRA volunteers?

Works both ways folks.

[Deleted User]

I see Martin pulled a few of the splinters our on Ivan Yeates this evening. Did he know it was canned at the time?

[Deleted User]

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Can people now realise the hurt Irish
families who had members killed by the PIRA feel when they see Sinn Féin bombers asking for votes and standing in the Dáil or commemorating PIRA volunteers.

Works both ways folks.

No it doesn’t. This is Ireland. Commemorate whoever you want in the UK.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Can people now realise the hurt Irish
families who had members killed by the PIRA feel when they see Sinn Féin bombers asking for votes and standing in the Dáil or commemorating PIRA volunteers.

Works both ways folks.

Nobody is stopping the family members of the RIC/DMP or even the B&T's from commemorating their family members.

Why would you represent it as that? It had nothing to do with families of the deceased.
It was about the integrity of a state commemorating organisations that tried to prevent that state from existing.

Jinglejangle69

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

No it doesn’t. This is Ireland. Commemorate whoever you want in the UK.

Huh?

The PIRA killed over 400 Irish Catholics during the troubles.

Why should they be commemorated?

The RIC shouldnt and neither should the PIRA by Sinn Féin.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody is stopping the family members of the RIC/DMP or even the B&T's from commemorating their family members.

Why would you represent it as that? It had nothing to do with families of the deceased.
It was about the integrity of a state commemorating organisations that tried to prevent that state from existing.

Didn't the IRA and Sinn Féin not recognise the state until recently?

They didn't really care about the state that was formed much back then.

ygolometsipe

This will go down in history as the biggest self sabotage by a political party right before an election.

The memes are great!!! never liked this Fine Gael government TBH...

saabsaab

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So we should commerate traitors and murderers just to keep Lizzie Winsdors fan club happy?

No thanks.

I don't believe you are being fair, nobody was saying that, just wanted to remember Irishmen on the wrong side of history. You'd swear some thought they wanted to make God save the King the national anthem!

[Deleted User]

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

No it doesn’t. This is Ireland. Commemorate whoever you want in the UK.

People in Ireland were killed by the PIRA

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Huh?

The PIRA killed over 400 Irish Catholics during the troubles.

Why should they be commemorated?

The RIC shouldnt and neither should the PIRA by Sinn Féin.

The RIC are, every year by the Irish Police Commemoration Committee (can't think of their acronym at the minute)

happyoutscan

Delighted.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Didn't the IRA and Sinn Féin not recognise the state until recently?

They didn't really care about the state that was formed much back then.

The state doesn't hold commemorations for the IRA or Sinn Fein either as far as I know.

The Rape of Lucretia

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We managed to hold inclusive and respectful commemoration for all those killed in the Rising in 2016 (albeit after this same government where forced to withdraw an insulting video and had their cards marked).
There is mutual respect, what there isn't is a tolerance for whitewashing and rehabilitating enemies of this state whether they be British or Irish.

Those killed in the rising were the enemies of the state of the time. The RIC were the state and legitimate. They cannot be relabled post hoc. Had the British subsequently invaded the south and reneged on The Treaty, then they would indeed have been emenies of the Free State. But before that, they werent.

That it will now be left to voluntary supporters to mount this deferred commemoration is reminder, of a magnitude that we have not seen for decades, of how backward, of how poorly, and immaturely, much of southern Ireland has come to term with its past.

The Rape of Lucretia

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The state doesn't hold commemorations for the IRA or Sinn Fein either as far as I know.

You are correct on this.
And nor should it commemorate terrorist criminals.

FrancieBrady

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Those killed in the rising were the enemies of the state of the time. The RIC were the state and legitimate. They cannot be relabled post hoc. Had the British subsequently invaded the south and reneged on The Treaty, then they would indeed have been emenies of the Free State. But before that, they werent.

That it will now be left to voluntary supporters to mount this deferred commemoration is reminder, of a magnitude that we have not seen for decades, of how backward, of how poorly, and immaturely, much of southern Ireland has come to term with its past.

For once you are correct. They were not a part of our state.

[Deleted User]

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Those killed in the rising were the enemies of the state of the time. The RIC were the state and legitimate. They cannot be relabled post hoc. Had the British subsequently invaded the south and reneged on The Treaty, then they would indeed have been emenies of the Free State. But before that, they werent.

That it will now be left to voluntary supporters to mount this deferred commemoration is reminder, of a magnitude that we have not seen for decades, of how backward, of how poorly, and immaturely, much of southern Ireland has come to term with its past.

Spin another record.

Fann Linn

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Those killed in the rising were the enemies of the state of the time. The RIC were the state and legitimate. They cannot be relabled post hoc. Had the British subsequently invaded the south and reneged on The Treaty, then they would indeed have been emenies of the Free State. But before that, they werent.

That it will now be left to voluntary supporters to mount this deferred commemoration is reminder, of a magnitude that we have not seen for decades, of how backward, of how poorly, and immaturely, much of southern Ireland has come to term with its past.

So moving forward with your logic, you want to commemorate a force that indulged in state sponsored terrorism.

Cody montana

ygolometsipe wrote: »

This will go down in history as the biggest self sabotage by a political party right before an election.

The memes are great!!! never liked this Fine Gael government TBH...

Probably will still win though.

Plumbthedepths

Fann Linn wrote: »

So moving forward with your logic, you want to commemorate a force that indulged in state sponsored terrorism.

Seriously this poster is a well known WUM, best to avoid tbh.