FrancieBrady wrote: » FG are so out of touch on this decade of centenaries that they ignored the fact that many many people DO CARE about how it is treated and care about the future of this island. They have already had to embarrassingly take down a video they produced on 1916. Will their arrogance ever abate...doesn't seem so.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Corruption you only said. You conveniently left out that SF are claiming they want an Irish language act it is a game. How much Irish does Michelle O'Neill or Mary Lou have? Come on man you can not be that brainwashed? It is window dressing. SF are supposed to be in a power sharing arrangement but are playing games with the Unionists. As the Unionists are playing games with them. For SF to be critical of corruption is a bit rich as well if you really think about it. Given thier history and how they deal with 'issues internally' Denis Donaldson etc SF are not a true opposition in the Dail they are only a quasi technical opposition as you know well, the hurlers in the ditch. They can mention all thier 'out there' economic policies which they will never have to implement anytime soon in the ROI. A real opposition in the Dail would have decent numbers. Independents in the Dail have more clout than SF. Of course Sinn Fein do need to bring the Unionists on side because as another poster as rightly mentioned - this 50 plus one idea is a fantasy. It will not bring peace. If you do not bring the majority of Unionsts on side it is nothing more than tiocfaidh ar la la land. Fantasy stuff. Plus how is the Irish State going to pay for a UI the British pump Billions into it. Practicalities should be spoken about not mtyhology. Sinn Fein are now caught between a rock and hard place. Trying to pander to hardliners old school republicans while trying to appear open and progressive. That has shown in the elections in the Dail and it has shown in thier antics in Sormont. The Unionists in NI will be looking at the ROI and the reaction to this commemoration of DMP/RIC and what do you think they will think? Yet the Queen of England has shook McGuinness's hand and even some Unionists have attended GAA matches. But McGunness is seen by a traitor by the hardliners where the Republican willingness to compromise in 2020? It is not 1920 anymore.
JupiterKid wrote: » I do understand the need to recognise the the complex role that men in the RIC and DMP played in the years of this country pre-Independence, and also the need to accommodate the unisonist perspective if we really want re-unification of this island in the medium to long-term... ...but this "commemoration" is simply is a step too far and the Govt will pay the price for this - amongst their many, many abject policy failures in housing, health and rural Ireland to name but a few - in the forthcoming GE.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » So the centenaries should only cover the Republican angle? The Republicans treated as heroes martyrs the RIC remaining faceless and nameless? All just refereed to as British forces. Or erroneously as the Tans. How is that conducive to a reconciliation of traditions, and a future peaceful UI?
is_that_so wrote: » You mean many people here or "many" people you know. It's not and never will be an election issue. Aside from the fact the majority of voters do not engage with an election until the last two weeks, the only ones likely to to raise it will be the kind of people few people vote for.
Charlie Flanagan wrote: “Before my colleague begins, is it in order for members, particularly Deputy Stanley, to wear emblems of the type that he is now sporting in the chamber? It’s not only himself but his colleague, Deputy Colreavy, too. Some members of this House may find the wearing of such emblems offensive,” said Charlie, requesting a report from the Ceann Comhairle on the long standing rules regarding the wearing of emblems.
Charlie Flanagan wrote: My 24th consecutive year to wear the poppy at the cenotaph, Millview, Portlaoise. Ecuminical prayer service & wreathlaying at noon.
jmcc wrote: » So your cluelessness is without borders. How very progressive. The majority in the UK voted to leave the EU. When the majority of the Irish people voted for Ireland to leave another union, Ireland was subjected to acts of terror against the civilian population by the RIC, the Black and Tans and the Auxiliaries, and a war. But you and others want to celebrate the perpetrators of these war crimes and acts of terror (you are on the same side as John Bruton who said that the Black and Tans should be commemorated). Regards...jmcc
FrancieBrady wrote: » What??? Who believes a UI will be a 'Catholic, green, Republic with a few Orange Prods tacked on' only the likes of the late Willie Frazer and other scaremongering belligerent Unionists? How many republicans need to say that they have no problem whatsoever with Unionists celebrating the 12th and their culture before this oft quoted mistruth dies? A UI needs to be honest, not some hat doffing place that appeases a Unionist's version of what happened.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I didn't say it would be an election issue, will it be in the minds of people as they go to vote? Judging from the reaction, almost definitely.
markodaly wrote: » Even though this is a recommendation from an all-party committee? The rest of your post is a reminder of why we won't have a UI within our lifetimes.
Nift wrote: » Cluelessnes? I mean just cause you sign off your posts doesn't make you intelligent. He said we manage referendum better than English. It had nothing to ****ing do with what you are saying. Jaysis you clearly can't read. Where did i say i want to celebrate anything? I am arguing that the hubaloo is an issue, and clearly its to placate future relations. I mean its clearly showing how unready we are for a border poll, let alone a United Ireland. Its a ****ing joke how short sighted some Republicans are. Particularly considering SF have suggested alot of compromise is needed.
McMurphy wrote: » Charlie Flanagan on the Easter Lilly being worn. Charlie Flanagan on the poppy.https://twitter.com/CharlieFlanagan/status/399495637185863680?s=19 Charlie might convince others that what he's proposing is a commemoration to the tans, but Charlie clearly has his stall layed out as to what side of history he favours.
J Mysterio wrote: » The lack of basic knowledge of Irish history people have demonstrated in this thread is mind blowing.
Sir Oxman wrote: » For the second time, that is not quite clear at this stage so stop using it as camouflage for FG.
ChikiChiki wrote: » Genuinely disgusting. Flanagan is a good Irish name. Wtf is his agenda.
Nift wrote: » Look you are being disingenuous. Hundreds if not thousands of comments all over here, reddit, the journal over the decade in regards to a United Ireland. Many would not be happy with any compromise. Have a read yourself. Its hardly restrcited to a willie frazer. I mean, ffs, the comments along these lines are on this ****ing thread. Of course it should be honest and open. I think thats the whole point of the RIC thing, even if it has backfired. A border poll passes, many Irish people think it will be an Irish Republic with the north tagged on. And then the orange lads can go home or give up. Thats, we can agree it seems, not going to happen. Fair enough. Spread that message to other less informed people like yourself. SF in fairness don't.
markodaly wrote: » They did actually. From Wiki
Hamsterchops wrote: » New National Anthem New all inclusive flag. Re joining the Commonwealth. Non mandatory Irish in school.. Would Republicans countenance all of these?
Hamsterchops wrote: » New National Anthem New all inclusive flag. Re joining the Commonwealth. Non mandatory Irish in all school.. Would Republicans countenance all of these?
FrancieBrady wrote: » This one will and has an open and honest opinion on each of them.
Nift wrote: » sorry but what's a good irish name? this is the crux of the issue around all this bollocks.... a good irish name like Parnell, Pearse, Markivicz, Plunkett, Constance Georgine Gore-Booth and so on and on.
Nift wrote: » thats fair. A serious issue and in relation to police and legacies, would the PSNI have to become garda or would that be too much?
