Sean.3516 wrote: » The real tragedy (and you’re gonna love me for saying this. Call me a westbrit/blueshirt if u will) is that the 1916 Rising ever took place.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Ironic from Sinn Féin considering the amount of Irish people the PIRA killed!! But it is a silly idea in fairness. Just don't be hypocritical in your condemnation.
simongurnick wrote: » Wouldnt agree Home rule had its limitations and there were several iterations that did not make it through both houses. So you think pearce should have just waited until after ww1 and essentially trust britain? How did that work out for collins and the treaty? If we went down that road we would be like wales or even canada, with the queen on our currency.
cryptocurrency wrote: » really? the meltdown it is causing so many show the country has so many small minded and backward types who are basically the DUP in the mirror. United Ireland is miles away. I don't blame normal unionists to be concerned.
cryptocurrency wrote: » so you do nothing to acknowledge over 1 million on the island until the prize of a united is delivered. That is why isn't not happening any time soon. You just don't get it.
Sean.3516 wrote: » Yes, I’m saying wait until the end of WW1 and “trust” Britain as hard as that would be compared fighting a guerilla war. I’m not saying I’d oppose violent means all the way. At least not until every peaceful avenue had been exhausted.
bobbysands81 wrote: » So you want to commemorate the men who shot dead 14 innocent people in Croke Park on Bloody Sunday? You think a State commemoration of these people is actually worthy and justified? Commemorating a police force that turned its guns on its own people, the people that the force was meant to be protecting.
Bambi wrote: » You know what's funny? I was going to point out in my post that the ballachingly cliched response is always "Home Rule was around the corner" Absolute guff. Home Rule was "around the corner" for the previous 80 years and it never happened, something always just happened to come up, as it did in 1914 You think 1916 was a tragedy but Redmond sending tens of thousands Irishmen to be slaughtered for a lie wasn't? You don't need me to put a label on that.
Bambi wrote: » The British had already retroactivley linked the passing of the Home Rule bill to conscription in Ireland, you don't seem to be worried about how many thousands of Irishmen that would have killed. The British Government also assured Carson and Craig that the whole Home Rule issue was still up for debate once the war ended. That Home Rule bill was as dead as the previous ones by 1916 Thankfully the IRB succeeded where O'Connell, Parnell and Redmond had all failed.
KWAG2019 wrote: » Typically you ignore 4m others for the benefit of your point of view.
FTA69 wrote: » Fair play to her.
Sean.3516 wrote: » 1914 was in fact different. Because of the Parliament Act of 1911 which altered the British parliamentary rules so as to prevent the House of Lords from vetoing the same legislation for more than two years. House of Commons passed the Home Rule Act in 1912 and 1913 (Lords blocked it on both occasions.) meaning the legislation would come into effect in 1914 no matter what. Obviously this was delayed due to World War One but it genuinely was “behind the corner”. As for Redmond, he didn’t “send” anybody anywhere. He instead stated that the best way for the National Volunteers to help affect Home Rule would be for them to help bring WWI to an end as fast as possible.
cryptocurrency wrote: » and this is why it isn't gonna happen lads. So we are all agreed.
Zebra3 wrote: » Not hearing much from all these independent parasites that support FG in government.
Bambi wrote: » Time will tell, the reality is the die hards who come up with this stuff on twitter that you regurgitate here are never going to vote for a UI As for the more practical of the Brethren....If Brexit goes south... So does the North .....tick tock
saabsaab wrote: » I don't think anyone wanted to commemorate those who killed unarmed civilians in Bloody Sunday or who assassinated Tomas MacCurtin (illegal acts by their own measure) or the 'Black and Tans' or 'Auxies' just ordinary RIC men. However it is evident that this is being misunderstood not adequately explained/defined and is turning into a PR fiasco.
simongurnick wrote: » C'mon. Redmond 100% supported and encouraged the war effort. He was very prominent. A little different from me or you just stating something
Sean.3516 wrote: » Honestly I don’t see conscription as a price too high to pay for Home Rule. World War One as catastrophic as it was a fundamentally moral war about halting German and Austrian imperialism in Western Europe.
Odhinn wrote: » ....and shag the populations of Africa, Asia and the middle east - victims as they were of British, French, Belgium reigimes...yeah, very "moral"
