horsebox1977 wrote: » Yep. Frank Feighan and Neale Richmond also looking for Ireland to re-join the Commonwealth. Charlie Flanagan is one disgusting human being.
Del2005 wrote: » Considering that they where Irish people why shouldn't we commemorate them? Picking the wrong side doesn't make them less Irish and in a war neither party has a moral high ground.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Next thing Varadkar will want to hold a commeration for the Black and Tans. The RIC were traitors who threw people out of their homes to starve when they couldn't pay rent.
JP Liz V1 wrote: » Is the RIC and DMP, the Black and Tans
Larbre34 wrote: » No they were not. They were demobbed tommies, the psychos off the Somme. The RIC existed for 110 years, mostly ordinary Irish catholic men who earned a crust to feed their families in hard times. Unfortunately many Irish people had no choice but to earn the Queens shilling under occupation, but these guys had to balance keeping order on the streets with a decade of political rebellion. 500 of them killed and 700 injured when mostly unarmed. A commemoration of their work in policing over 110 years in existence is not betraying anyone.
ReginaldSmythV wrote: » We’ve already seen them hire the likes of Harris to run our current police, and these acts will just get bigger and bigger. Treacherous scum.
The Tetrarch wrote: » I dislike the phrase "the likes of". It has become prevalent in journalism. Omit needless words. "Bigger and bigger" is another one.
On August 31st, Sackville Street was packed with strikers and the simply curious who wanted to see if Larkin would indeed defy the order. Suddenly, on a balcony of the Imperial Hotel overlooking the street, a bearded man appeared. It was Larkin in disguise, and when he ripped the beard off and began to speak, the crowd went wild with cheering. No doubt incensed that Larkin had made a fool of them, the Dublin Metropolitan Police quickly arrested him and charged the assembled crowd with batons. Two men were killed and hundreds were injured and taken to hospital. Thus the first “Bloody Sunday’ of Irelands turbulent 20th century entered into history
saabsaab wrote: » So technically yes but in practice no.
saabsaab wrote: » The Black and Tans were called the RIC special reserve and were recruited separately mainly from GB to assist the regular RIC but often operated independently. The Auxies were similar but were even more independent of the RIC and often wore british army uniforms. hey were called temporary Cadets (Officer grade). So technically yes but in practice no.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Someone mentioned that the Tans were being included in the commeration, it's bad enough that they would commerate the RIC who took the kings shilling to evict families from their homes and and assist the Tans during their killing spree but to include those murdering bastards is going too far.
saabsaab wrote: » Someone was on the RTE this evening saying that they weren't commemorating the 'black and tans' only ordinary RIC police who died! If I get more details I'll post them.
PS O’Hegarty explained in the first episode of In the Name of the Republic that he became increasingly disenchanted with the IRA’s campaign. “We glorified ambushes and stunts and jobs and secret executions,” he contended. “We abolished all the ordinary laws of morality and of public decency and of social responsibility.” Ironically, O’Hegarty’s brother Sewas the brigadier of the Cork No 1 Brigade, “which carried out the greatest number of killings, even women and children were not spared,” according to Prof Eunan O’Halpin.
“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.” ― Alexandre Dumas
Odhinn wrote: » ...and they get a free pass because...?
Millionaire only not wrote: » Technically they were the elete of the scum ! Celebrate one ur celebrating them all !
bb12 wrote: » There are sticking their fingers in wounds which are still open.
saabsaab wrote: » They had joined when this was a regular police force and many helped or did not really fight the rebels. Others were trapped in their job -I 'm sure this is common enough elsewhere- caught between a rock and a hard place.
bobbysands81 wrote: » [TWEET] https://twitter.com/bobbysands81/status/1214289108677382144?s=21[/TWEET]
Sean.3516 wrote: » I’ve never subscribed to the belief that Irish Catholics who served in the RIC, Dublin Met or British Army were somehow “selling their souls”. Most of these catholic Irishmen were not ardent royalists but rather men trying to earn a living who simply could not afford the luxury of revolutionary idealism. This is not to denigrate the revolutionaries, (I’m not making a value judgement about either camp) but to draw moral equivalence between these men who were professional policemen doing their jobs and the Black and Tans/Auxiliaries who were by contrast mercenaries who committed war crimes is just wrong. I’ve always thought of the War of Independence as just as much a civil war as it was a war against an external power considering the extent to which the Irish fought against each other in the conflict. Most RIC/Dublin Met officers would have been members before the conflict began and therefore could not have been said to have signed up to kill Irishmen as the Tans did. The fact that THESE MEN (NOT THE TANS in case this isn’t clear) were in a situation where they fought fellow Irishmen is a tragedy and ought there deaths ought to be commemorated as such.
careless sherpa wrote: » What should be done is use it as an opportunity to acknowledge their brutal history and commemorate their victims. Their role during the mid nineteenth century is as horrific as that of the tans
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