Thelonious Monk wrote: » If you can't deduce that Irish and British people live pretty much the exact same lifestyles youre not thinking things through but i suspect youre being deliberately obtuse.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » So you can't use your common sense and knowledge of the world to come to the conclusion that your average westerner UK Irish whatever pollutes far more than your average poor African?
Thelonious Monk wrote: » You do realise that Irish people such as ourselves pollute far more than Africans and Indians? Not sure about Chinese.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/05/britain-annual-carbon-emissions-overtake-africa-two-weeks-oxfam I would assume we have a similar footprint to the Brits.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » So you can't back up your claim? Africa is a continent, not a country. Are there no people there enjoying a life style similar to their western counterparts?
Eric Cartman wrote: » Just because nations have millions of people living in abject poverty to lower the ‘per capita’ emissions does not mean that those countries are doing better, im sure if we made 3/4 of ireland struggle to feed themselves and live in huts we would appear as a green country too.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Nope we don't want to go back to living in huts and struggling to feed ourselves, we just need to change our current way of life which is wasteful and hell bent on consumerism. I know you never want to change anything and never will, so I don't even know why you post on these threads. If you're worried about taxes, the Gov are doing f*ck all regarding climate change, so you can relax.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » I would imagine there are plenty of wealthy people in Africa who enjoy a Western style lifestyle. For the most part they are dirt poor. So on average they pollute far far less than we do. I could post some links but what's the point, google pollution per capita if you're interested, you'll see most African countries way down the list. On the other hand Ireland are pretty bad -https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/ireland-has-third-highest-emissions-of-greenhouse-gas-in-eu-1.3998041 3rd highest in EU, apparently.
Grab All Association wrote: » career peaked in the 1970s? What exactly has his race and gender got to do with this? There's plenty of black men, white women, black women, asians etc in the world who think the whole thing is a hoax or skeptical.
gozunda wrote: » I do not believe Ms Ms Henderson was 'whinging' or even as you said 'taking the moral high ground'. The statement in the article came from a friend and colleague of hers. The point was not about 'defending' strangers either - no idea where that was pulled from. The point of the comment as a reply was about contrasting social media commentary. Regarding the last paragraph - the quiz presenter did not mention anything about a "16 year old" btw. But are you seriously suggesting that Ms Henderdon was lying / pretending she didnt know of what activist had written what book - really?
Tell me how wrote: » Interesting you mention Curie. In 1903, she was originally not nominated for the Nobel prize in physics while her male colleagues were. A Nobel committee member stepped in and she was rightfully included in the nomination. Some similarities for both ladies in many not wanting to acknowledge the value of their efforts. I'd say the pages of boards would have been full of the same 'PC gone mad' posts we see today had it been around then. Also, you do realise that Greta still has time to achieve an undergraduate degree by a similar age to both Curie and Pasteur.
weldoninhio wrote: » Where to start with such nonsense. Why isn’t she committed to staying in school/college where she could study and perhaps discover a ‘solution’ to such a vast problem?? She’s decided that the Homer Simpson “can’t someone else do it” approach is best. Her “sensible message” that the world is going to die in ten years?? The one that the IPCC have slapped down numerous times?? Her humour? That’s a new one on me. Practicing what she preaches? How many people have had to fly around the world to pilot these yachts she’s used??
Thelonious Monk wrote: » I would imagine there are plenty of wealthy people in Africa who enjoy a Western style lifestyle. For the most part they are dirt poor. So on average they pollute far far less than we do. I could post some links but what's the point, google pollution per capita if you're interested, you'll see most African countries way down the list.On the other hand Ireland are pretty bad -https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/ireland-has-third-highest-emissions-of-greenhouse-gas-in-eu-1.3998041 3rd highest in EU, apparently.
gozunda wrote: » Jeez but your comments have a gra for continously having a go at Ireland Facts are many African counties have significant numbers of well off & middle class. Many many more are poor but not all by any means. Take a look at the World book stats if you are in any doubt. One of the problems with per capita footprints is that any country can have large amounts of really nasty polluting industries producing huge amounts of greenhouse emissions - but - where there is a very large population - those figures start to shrink to the point that the impact of those industries with regard to emissions apparently vanish. Looking at overall carbon production provides a much more accurate picture tbh. For example comparing countries directly - we have South Africa which produces more emissions than the UK and is the single biggest emitter of ghgs on the whole continent of Africa and which contributes some 1.09 % of the worlds Carbon dioxide emissions And then we have Ireland (Apparently 3rd highest ghgs in Europe) which is responsible for approx just 0.11 % of the worlds share of carbon dioxide emissions. A significant share which comes from our exports. And yet countries like Ireland which are dependant on exports get marked down as having high per capita emissions simply because those who consume those exports in other countries do not have to account for them. As many African countries economies continue to grow - then their own carbon footprints will rise expotentially even if they move to relatively clean energy production.And where does that leave us?
gozunda wrote: » And yet countries like Ireland which are dependant on exports get marked down as having high per capita emissions simply because those who consume those exports in other countries do not have to account for them.
The_Conductor wrote: » How come countries like Norway who have massive exports of oil and gas- don't have to account for their exports- but Ireland- who exports beef- does? Surely the emissions should be enumerated at the point of consumption- or production- but not a hybrid model that lets one country off scott free but hammers the other?
Tell me how wrote: » With the need to act.As Greta is saying over and over. Your suggestion is, there's no point, where will that leave us?
gozunda wrote: » Christ give poor greta a break. You have her worn out with the constant blatherings of - if greta this and greta the other. Fact is greta is a kid who reckons the civilisation is going tits up quite shortly and that all the adults in the room runed her childhood or wtte. She repeats information she has no understanding of whatsoever. She's about much use to the issues of climate change as a chocolate teapot -- neither have the potential too last too long and are without substance A question - if greta is so great at making people being woke - how come her ardent fans are apparently clueless regarding these issues? Btw my suggestion is not that "there is no point" :rolleyes: so do try at least once and not misinterpret absolutely everything you read ok ...
Guy:Incognito wrote: » I never said she was the one whinging. I meant people on here going on about it.I never said she was lying. I said laughing at a stupid answer was grand. Just checked the clip again, fair enough they dont say 16 year old but the question is swedish climate change activist. How many of those does anyone know. Even without swedish I'd say the vast majority of peoples first answer would be greta thunberg. The point stands that anyone with a passing interest in what's going on in the world knows about her. Even the odd glance at the news over the last few months. Regardless , it was a funny clip and getting your nose out of joint on her behalf for a funny name change joke on Twitter is ridiculous.
is_that_so wrote: » I'm not sure Africans would take kindly to being lumped into a homogeneous blob!
Econometrics wrote: » What evidence is that there that humans are causing significant changes in the climate?
Human activities are estimated to have caused approximately 1.0°C of global warming above pre-industrial levels, with a likely range of 0.8°C to 1.2°C. Global warming is likely to reach 1.5°C between 2030 and 2052 if it continues to increase at the current rate. (high confidence) (Figure SPM.1) {1.2}
Econometrics wrote: » Predictions were made 100 years ago and numerous times since then of climate catastrophe which never happened.
Tell me how wrote: » IPCC Summary report You do realise that there have been one or two scientific and technological advances over the last 100 years or so leading to more awareness and more accurate forecasting?
Econometrics wrote: » On what basis do you believe the forecasting is accurate?
Fr_Dougal wrote: » Still using that flawed report as your single source of scientific research? https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111457977&postcount=5537
