Galwayguy35 wrote: » Privileged westener :rolleyes: Sounds just as dumb as white privelege or male privelege.
As I was saying... wrote: » Nice post. Really gives me an insight into the thought process. Regrettable though that you had to preface it with criticism of Ebun Joseph, almost as your credentials to comment in this poisonous thread! ] Ebun does herself a disservice by constantly making everything about race. It's also a disservice to people of colour because you have to be able to distinguish between incidents where people simply are nasty, rude, ill-mannered individuals and people who just don't like black folk. Also, as said before on this site, there's over a billion people with black heritage. It's not helping anyone to lump as all together. Also, racial incidents happen across the skin colour spectrum. It's not always black and white (pun most intended) [ The problem as I see it is that "these incidents" are mostly not incidents. I'll completely grant you that not infrequently they are real. But inferring potential-racism any time someone elects not to sit beside you on the bus or assumes you like rap is a recipe for paranoia.] You lose the argument here by inferring that actual incidents, that to you, not being a person of colour, can dismiss as nastiness, are not racially charged. Unless you've lived it, you cannot deny someone else's experiences. Repeated things happening that don't seem to ever happen to white friends and family? Who are you to say, otherwise. Yes, horrible people exist. Some of these horrible people are also people who don't like anyone non white or have anger/ suspicions/ etc about us. This is the filter I was talking about - sometimes it's both a closet racist and an unpleasant individual all in one. [I'm quite fastidiously polite. I go out of my way to make sure I'm not obstructing people in the street and give them space when walking past. And I expect the same in return but I don't get it. Every day I have multiple people brush past me or force me to have to walk around them. It's a real hassle that causes me daily stress and if I were black I could quite easily reduce those minor insults to my black identity. I've also noticed people seem often not to sit beside me on the Dart. I don't know why that is! But in the absence of an identity to reduce it to, I'm just thankful that I have more space. I know that your point is that individually they're irrelevant but collectively they point to something real. But I feel I could also create a collection of micro insults that I experience to corroborate some persistent attack against my identity. It seems to me that these incidents are magnified because of the insecurity felt by someone in a minority. And that's absolutely understandable and something with which I greatly sympathise. But I don't think it's productive to hover your finger over the racism button every time something like that happens. ] No it isn't- but it's also dangerous to not be aware of race. Certainly if you're the minority. It can colour everything from a job interview to paying for milk in a shop. Easy to be dismissive when it doesn't impact you, right?
[Deleted User] wrote: » I've been living in China for over a decade. All of the things you mentioned, I receive on one level or another on a daily basis. The spitting after you walk by, the stares, the empty space around you on the bus, etc etc etc. Fact is, though, is that I wanted to live in China. I knew that I would be an extreme minority in the city I live. 9 Million people, with roughly 5k foreigners, and the majority of those foreigners being African, or Middle Eastern. White people are a definite minority compared to other races here, and it shows every time you associate with other foreigners. Point is though, that I wanted to live here. I accept the attitudes of the people who are uncomfortable with a foreigner because historically there wasn't much contact with other foreigners (sound familiar?), or that China is a nation which consists mostly with Chinese people (another familiarity). You can choose to find offense in the behavior of others, or you can ignore it. For the most part, I don't even notice the common behavior anymore. It's the aggressive attitudes of spitting on my shoes, the genuinely racist comments you receive, or the violence that occurs. However, these incidents are generally extremely rare. Just as they would be in Ireland for a person of color. I've lived in three Asian countries, and traveled to Africa... this sh1t happens. It all only becomes wearing if you have no concept of the place you're in, and totally intolerant of others. Racism is an individual thing until some people promote it as an institutionalized or national thing. Ireland, and Irish people can be understandably uncomfortable with other races. I met my first black person when I was 14..... Even now, with extensive exposure to genuinely Black cultures, and people, I'm still uncomfortable with them. That is racism but honestly, I don't take any issue with it. Why? Because not every fcuking thing is offensive. I am racist though. Everyone is to one degree or another. The point is whether you take your racism and express it to other people. Do your racist tendencies encourage acts of discrimination, on your part or on the part of others...? If not, then big deal. I don't like US black culture. Don't like it, and can't be bothered interacting with it. Generally, I find Black Americans offensive, aggressive, and rather racist towards white people. I find it contemptible that Black people often call each other the N word, but scream racism whenever someone else does. Saying and thinking all of that is racist. I've noticed that the people who go on about racism, tend to be rather racist themselves. The fact is that none of us are perfect, and people who harp on about racism are often expecting other people to become perfect (without needing to do so themselves). Acting on racism with intent is awful and should be stepped on. By anyone. However, we should be encouraging a society that has some patience for people who are uncomfortable with those of other races, and need time to adjust. Not everyone has personal experience with them, and an automatic acceptance is unrealistic. Personally, I find Black people to be the most racist. There's a victim card that's thrown around quite often. Dunno if it's due to American Black rights orgs, but many black people behave racist with the belief that reverse racism is perfectly acceptable. It's not. Asians, I find to be racist, almost by accident. It's rarely intentional and most of them are genuinely sorry once they actually consider what they've been doing. MY feeling is that active and determined racism is rare. It's not common in society anymore (if it ever actually was, like Ireland, which had a more national discrimination), and people like Dr. Joseph are intent on bringing it back because it makes them feel special. Minorities and those who are discriminated against, are big money. It's naive to think otherwise. But "quiet" racism is everywhere and should be tolerated to an extent. I've noticed racist comments from just about everyone I encounter. Big deal. They're not acting out on their racism with the intent to cause pain and actual harm. My problem with Dr. Joseph and their ilk, is that they want to create a less tolerant society... a less patient society... a society that monitors and controls what people say or think... One that ignores the realities and complexities of human thought. So, no, bugger that.
Mulberrytree wrote: » No it isn't- but it's also dangerous to not be aware of race. Certainly if you're the minority. It can colour everything from a job interview to paying for milk in a shop. Easy to be dismissive when it doesn't impact you, right?
Yurt! wrote: » I'd love to interview Ebun's acquaintances from back in Nigeria to get their reaction. "Yeah I remember that fruitcake, what's she up to now?.... ...You mean to tell me you put her on national television? Like, to give her opinion on things???"
Higgins5473 wrote: » Careful with your wording. 'fruitcake' has an 'a' 'c' and 'k' in it. Add a 'b' and an 'l' and you've got BLACK :eek:
Bobblehats wrote: » Fruitcake is a euphemism for brack!
Mulberrytree wrote: » You lose the argument here by inferring that actual incidents, that to you, not being a person of colour, can dismiss as nastiness, are not racially charged. Unless you've lived it, you cannot deny someone else's experiences. Repeated things happening that don't seem to ever happen to white friends and family? Who are you to say, otherwise. Yes, horrible people exist. Some of these horrible people are also people who don't like anyone non white or have anger/ suspicions/ etc about us. This is the filter I was talking about - sometimes it's both a closet racist and an unpleasant individual all in one. Easy to be dismissive when it doesn't impact you, right?
Higgins5473 wrote: » Have no love for Niall Boylan but shes out of control, totally unhinged.https://www.bitchute.com/video/QHBJ6s7LFZoT/
Naos wrote: » Interesting. He let her speak, then when it was his turn to speak she interrupts him and then starts giving out that he's interrupting her... Edit: She then goes on to interrupt the other lady not the show.
tuxy wrote: » What is this, why has she been invited on to TV and radio so many times?
PonchoMcHoncho wrote: » Just watching this now. She really is an idiot.
tuxy wrote: » Do you think she was always an idiot and UCD decided to offer her a PhD and job? Or do you think she started acting like that because she noticed it did wonders for her professional career?
Mulberrytree wrote: » I'm not black American and there are very few here in Ireland so what's the link between a community on another continent and black people here?
I live here, I work here, does being a minority mean I should accept rudeness, racial hostility, abuse? Please explain why I should excuse my blackness to give racists a pass. Why I owe it to them to be accommodating and accepting of bullying?
You can't fully accept black people by your own confession. That's YOUR problem.
Anyone who thinks like you, no matter their background, black, white, whatever needs to deal with it.
It's not up to the person whose difference you find uncomfortable to make room for nastiness.
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