everlast75 wrote: » https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1212103207469666304?s=19 The top lies of each month by Donald John Trump. What a complete and utter degenerate liar.
ECO_Mental wrote: » Holy s**t never heard this one about dishwashers before:eek::eek::eek: I mean WTF...how can any GOP politican stand by this man is beyond me:mad::mad: "Dishwashers -- we did the dishwasher, right? You press it -- remember the dishwasher, you'd press it, boom, there'd be like an explosion, five minutes later you open it up, the steam pours out, the dishes. Now, you press it 12 times. Women tell me. Again, you know, they give you four drops of water. And they're in places where there's so much water, they don't know what to do with it. So we just came out with a reg on dishwashers -- we're going back to you. By the way, by the time they press it 10 times, you spend more on water -- and electric! Don't forget. The whole thing is worse because you're spending all that money on electric. So we're bringing back standards that are great.
woohoo!!! wrote: » I'd say a lot of posters are rooting for Bernie like last time. And like last time, the traditional powers in the Dems are lined up agin him. And if Bernie gets the nod, there'll be a whole range of interest groups, not to mention the might of the GOP lined up agin him as well. More liberal dems tend to get a good press here and in Europe in general, but they're the exception really. The US is very much more right leaning and nationalistic than just about any European country and that includes Dems and GOP.
jm08 wrote: » Its not that the establishment Dems are against Bernie, they just know he won't win an election. The swing states that the Dems have to win are very conservative and they view people like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren as far too liberal when it comes to abortion, same sex marriage etc. Having come across some Irish-Americans visiting Ireland (good people) here, they were quite shocked at how liberal Ireland was. There was one Irish born person, now in her 70s, who was an ex-nun, left, married and became a teacher somewhere in the mid-west and would vote for Trump again because he is anti-abortion and just ignore all the lies and other stuff he gets up to because of that. I think its interesting though that one of the leading Christian newspapers had a Leader just before Christmas condemning Trump for his lies etc. Bernie or Elizabeth Warren are not going to pick up those votes, but Joe Biden might.
woohoo!!! wrote: » Establishment Dems might want to cotton onto the fact the Clinton lost to a certifiable loon and that Obama, for all his fine talk, was largely ineffectual. I don't like Biden, I don't like what he represents (More of the same) but I coukd get behind him with Warren or Bernie on the VP ticket.
jm08 wrote: » The Dems have to appeal to the electorate. Bernie & Elizabeth Warren would have appeal in most European Countries (except UK, Poland Hungary and a few more of the Eastern European countries). If you look at any tweets about Nancy Pelosi for example, you will nearly always find a few tweets about how she supports what they call 'murdering babies'. Bernie or EW hasn't a hope of getting elected in those conservative States which is needed.
PropJoe10 wrote: » I think it was John Oliver that did an experiment with predictive text on an iPhone and ended up with a speech that was actually more coherent than one of Trump's ramblings. Its a sad state of affairs! How could you vote for someone like that?
woohoo!!! wrote: » It's the middle ground that you need to convince, not the crowd shouting about murdering babies. I think say a Biden Buttirieg (sorry for spelling) would to too off putting for many. So go for a mix to broaden appeal.
jm08 wrote: » Its not just abortion, its gun laws as well. Its the swing States (like Florida, Ohio etc), which the candidates have to appeal to, not the middle ground.
woohoo!!! wrote: » The dems in congress with some GOP support passed minor changes to gun laws, being held up in the Senate do Mitch. Presumably that's their bottom line on gun laws. I don't know who is going to win but they're not going to alienate their core base (Why impeachment process went ahead) which your suggestions around gun laws and abortion suggest. I get the maxim of what you're saying, but I think dems will concentrate on what worked in 2018 elections which put an end to Trump winning. Anyway all that's for another thread so I'll leave it there.
everlast75 wrote: » I once raised that point on another forum, regarding his windmill speech. The trump supporter's response was that he was doing it, because he was "trolling the left". I replied, asking should a president not be concerned with trolling people and perhaps dp something more meaningful. The second reply was laced with expletives. Another time I posted a comment about Trump not being better than HRC would have been. The reply was that she was a warmonger. I replied saying that Trump enabled dictators, which was worse in my view. The second response was "f**k NATO, f**k the Ukraine" etc etc. Very angry people, Trump supporters.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Trump administration launched probe to discover who ‘liked’ Chelsea Clinton tweethttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-chelsea-clinton-twitter-ivanka-g20-meeting-state-department-a9265956.html Any other president would be declared a lunatic and chased from office long before now.
Itssoeasy wrote: » Okay new year so new attitude for me regards to trump and listening to his allies bitch and moan about the president having done nothing wrong or some form of defense that doesn't involve actual evidence that directly contradicts the evidence that was presented to the house committees. From now on I'll stop listening or will turn off the tv. I know Irish politics is far far from perfect but Jesus h Christ American politics while I love it and read as much as I can about it, I actually can't stand it during the era of trump. The senate trial needs to hear from messers Bolton, mulvaney, and Pompeo because they are first hand account witnesses that the GOP have said we haven't had up to now.. Get them to the senate and testify if there was nothing wrong they will clear the president and we can all move on.
Midlife wrote: » I think I realised late last year that both Donald and Brexit are basically political movements backed by billionaires with the intention to make wealthy people wealthier.
peddlelies wrote: » Arrogant, simple thinking like this is why both movements happened. Opposing campaigns were backed by huge money. Maybe, just maybe, people had legitimate qualms. Labelling such voters dumb is much easier than self-reflection.https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/
