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The case of the racist blackcurrant drink

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https://twitter.com/EbunJoseph1/status/1211667276585406464

Racism alive and well in galway bay hotel where 50% of the staff are from other parts of the world, can someone explain how can a glass of ribena be misconstrued as racism, god help us in this little country entertaining race baiters like this. But looking at this ladies twitter feed she seems to find racism in everything irish. Happy new year to all boardies.

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suicide_circus

To a man with a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

1641

[QUOTE=sbsquarepants;112143211
I once ordered a southern comfort and got a cranberry juice - was there a hidden insult. Do i need to go straight back today and burn the place to the ground? (It happened about 10 years ago mind, but i don't like to let shít like that slide:D)[/QUOTE]

Perhaps you are being just a teeny bit disingenuous there. If , say, you were in an English hotel and ordered lasange but were instead served spuds and buttermilk - would you be as quick to attribute it to a mistake?

MMXX

looksee wrote: »

So if Gerry Adams went into a bar and was served shot glass of Irish cream and whiskey along side the Guinness that he ordered, it would obviously be an mistake and not a dig at him? Its an easy mistake to make, no?

That certainly would not be a dig. It would be a very generous gesture, and one that I am sure Gerry would appreciate.

I know I certainly would.

Ush1

looksee wrote: »

Here we have a woman who people don't like because she is a loud-mouthed whiner. She also happens to be black and uses that fact to have an excuse to be a loud-mouthed whiner. I don't know anything about her but I will take that at face value.

A situation arises where she is served a glass of Ribena or similar blackcurrent drink in a hotel. Based on the fact that we don't like her it is assumed that obviously a genuine mistake was made by the hotel (ie one (possibly part time, temporary) barman).

An argument that would not be allowed to hold up under any other AH circumstances (display wine bottles of Ribena, cluttering up the counter on a busy evening, contravening all sorts of h&s rules) is accepted as fact, because we don't like this woman so she could not possibly be right about someone having a dig at her colour. Even though we are agreed that if anyone needs a dig made at her, its this person.

So if Gerry Adams went into a bar and was served shot glass of Irish cream and whiskey along side the Guinness that he ordered, it would obviously be an mistake and not a dig at him? Its an easy mistake to make, no?

What?

I'm all for lateral thinking, but this is mental. Maybe they are sexist and not racist? Maybe they thought she was a TERF?

Maybe if you are in fact a racist you should get your message across more clearly than substituting a random drink in a food order.

AulWan

Haven't read the whole thread but I just had to roll my eyes at this.

I would have simply assumed that a drink that had been ordered for another table was delivered to my table by mistake, no big deal. I'd have called the server and asked for the correct drink and got on with my day.

As an aside, I've been in the company of women who have ordered non-alcoholic drinks and asked for them to be poured in wine or highball glasses - usually because they are in the early stages of pregnancy and don't want anyone to know they're not drinking!

Professor Moriarty

looksee wrote: »

Here we have a woman who people don't like because she is a loud-mouthed whiner. She also happens to be black and uses that fact to have an excuse to be a loud-mouthed whiner. I don't know anything about her but I will take that at face value.

A situation arises where she is served a glass of Ribena or similar blackcurrent drink in a hotel. Based on the fact that we don't like her it is assumed that obviously a genuine mistake was made by the hotel (ie one (possibly part time, temporary) barman).

An argument that would not be allowed to hold up under any other AH circumstances (display wine bottles of Ribena, cluttering up the counter on a busy evening, contravening all sorts of h&s rules) is accepted as fact, because we don't like this woman so she could not possibly be right about someone having a dig at her colour. Even though we are agreed that if anyone needs a dig made at her, its this person.

So if Gerry Adams went into a bar and was served shot glass of Irish cream and whiskey along side the Guinness that he ordered, it would obviously be an mistake and not a dig at him? Its an easy mistake to make, no?

You should speak for yourself and not make assumptions about "we".

looksee

Here we have a woman who people don't like because she is a loud-mouthed whiner. She also happens to be black and uses that fact to have an excuse to be a loud-mouthed whiner. I don't know anything about her but I will take that at face value.

A situation arises where she is served a glass of Ribena or similar blackcurrent drink in a hotel. Based on the fact that we don't like her it is assumed that obviously a genuine mistake was made by the hotel (ie one (possibly part time, temporary) barman).

An argument that would not be allowed to hold up under any other AH circumstances (display wine bottles of Ribena, cluttering up the counter on a busy evening, contravening all sorts of h&s rules) is accepted as fact, because we don't like this woman so she could not possibly be right about someone having a dig at her colour. Even though we are agreed that if anyone needs a dig made at her, its this person.

So if Gerry Adams went into a bar and was served shot glass of Irish cream and whiskey along side the Guinness that he ordered, it would obviously be an mistake and not a dig at him? Its an easy mistake to make, no?

Ush1

Professional whinger.

1641

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Why do you think that?

Have you never had an order messed up in a pub or restaurant before?

You are missing the most plausible (by a considerable margin) explanation, i.e. it was not an extraordinary mistake, it was a run of the mill, mundane mistake, which would also likely have happened to at least another punter or 2 on that very day - they just didn't make twats of themselves in response to some imagined slight.

What i would have done is said "this is not what i ordered" and the situation would have been resolved inside a minute, no doubt whatsoever!

Of course mistakes happen. Orders get mixed up - I've been on the receiving end and the serving end of such.

But this one needs some explaining. The most plausible one that comes to mind is that two seperate orders came at the same time - one including a red wine and one including a blackcurrant cordial - and the server then mixed them up. But this demands that the orders happened to come at the same time and that the bartender served up the cordial in a wine glass to a wine glass measure.

The alternatives proferred seem to be around cordial being stored in a wine bottle "for display purposes", and this display bottle then being left in the serving area. Having worked behind the bar for a number of years I do find this extraordinary. But that is not all. It then requires a bartender (usually not the most inexperienced casual staff) to mistakenly serve out the cordial instead of wine. Again, hard to imagine. Mistakes are more likely to be a white wine for a red wine, etc.

So maybe something like one of the above happened. But I find it at least as plausible that it was not a mistake but rather a misguided attempt at a pisstake.

At the same time I am keeping an open mind. But the general consensus throughout this thread is that no open mind is required. In fact at one point I thought there was going to be a collective orgasm of delight at this woman's discomfort. And there may have been a few premature ejaculations!

Raconteuse

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

It should be.

However, there are people here and onnsocial media that don't want to accept the hotels version of events because they cant fathom a mistake like this happening.

Thats not to say they believe it had racist intent either.

If it was claimed that "display bottles" only existed in this hotel then maybe I could get on board the racist train.

However, they do exist and it is plausable that it was used in error. This version of events is much more plausable than a racist attack on this woman.

Some here label the error of mistaking display bottles as "bizarre". Its not bizarre its plausable.

The use of cordial instead of wine as a racist attack is in actuality, bizarre.

The hotel has now been erroniously accused of employing racists, with a kiss my arse apology from the hot headed accuser whose livelihood depends on this type of event....ergo an "agenda" which is quite transparent.

There are too many free seats on the racist apologist train. At some stage the train will need to evaluate where it is going because the end destination is a world full of clusterfcuk bullsh1t that will water down the abhoration of legitimate racism.

If a person asks for a red wine in a fancy place like that, they'll say they want a rioja or merlot or malbeck etc, not just "a red wine". And any auld buideal just being picked up would hardly happen.

I think people here are just raging that not everyone is going "obvious mistake, the bitch!" when they know full well it's weird.

But I still think people who look for offence everywhere and insult entire countries, especially those where they make their home, are vile. It doesn't have to be just one stance or the other.

Signore Fancy Pants

Its important to note that:

1. She tried to reinforce and support the racist attack by stating that her party was exclusively dealt with by a black staff member afterwards, potentially to de-escalate the situation to show the employment of a black staff member to alay any racism accusations by her....really stretching like.

She also stated that the black staff member did not serve anyone else for 1.5hrs, however, she further hinted to the black staff member as being treated like a slave, kept on the sidelines fom the kitchen to the service space where others (obviously honkeys) brought the food to the customers.

2. She then encouraged more "Blacks" to ascend on the hotel so the hotel doesnt "win".

She went full retard and got away with it.

False accusations of racism should be equally shouted down to genuine accounts of racism, neither is acceptable.

Yellow_Fern

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Why are you giving her the time of day?

She runs Irelands only black studies course. She is writing the narrative. She cant be ignored.

Paddy Cow

Raconteuse wrote: »

I just assumed she was saying the hotel was trying to make a fool of her rather than the drink itself implying a racist slur.

If that's true it's even worse. The wrong drink being given out does happen. Her thinking it was racist made me think there must be some sort of racist connotations (or slur) associated with blackcurrant. And I learned that's what they call black kids.

[Deleted User]

I'm confused, is the racism supposed to be that it was a blackcurrant drink? As in BLACK currant, being the racist part?

I'm quite confused about this story. What if she got Coke or another black coloured drink, would that also be racist? I'm legitimately unsure what's going on here.

sbsquarepants

Raconteuse wrote: »

Yeah I thought she was saying the hotel was trying to make a fool of her because she's black.

Quite incredibly, that was what she was saying!

Signore Fancy Pants

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Shouldn’t that be the end of it in terms of those on here still discussing it as being potentially racist. The silly cow even apologised and then removed it.

It should be.

However, there are people here and onnsocial media that don't want to accept the hotels version of events because they cant fathom a mistake like this happening.

Thats not to say they believe it had racist intent either.

If it was claimed that "display bottles" only existed in this hotel then maybe I could get on board the racist train.

However, they do exist and it is plausable that it was used in error. This version of events is much more plausable than a racist attack on this woman.

Some here label the error of mistaking display bottles as "bizarre". Its not bizarre its plausable.

The use of cordial instead of wine as a racist attack is in actuality, bizarre.

The hotel has now been erroniously accused of employing racists, with a kiss my arse apology from the hot headed accuser whose livelihood depends on this type of event....ergo an "agenda" which is quite transparent.

There are too many free seats on the racist apologist train. At some stage the train will need to evaluate where it is going because the end destination is a world full of clusterfcuk bullsh1t that will water down the abhoration of legitimate racism.

sbsquarepants

1641 wrote: »

Either this was an extraordinary mistake or it was a pisstake. The latter seems more plausible to me until there is a fuller explanation but I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

Why do you think that?

Have you never had an order messed up in a pub or restaurant before?

You are missing the most plausible (by a considerable margin) explanation, i.e. it was not an extraordinary mistake, it was a run of the mill, mundane mistake, which would also likely have happened to at least another punter or 2 on that very day - they just didn't make twats of themselves in response to some imagined slight.

What i would have done is said "this is not what i ordered" and the situation would have been resolved inside a minute, no doubt whatsoever!

Raconteuse

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

You missed the word RACISM in her tweet?

Yeah I thought she was saying the hotel was trying to make a fool of her because she's black.

Higgins5473

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I had misunderstood that to do a PhD it had to be in the sphere of your primary degree, ie in her case Microbiology, or if she had done a BscSociology then the Black Studies etc might be a logical follow-on. I didn’t realise that you could apply to a university to do a PhD in any subject that suddenly occurred to you to be relevant.

It’s not necessary but its somewhat of a given that admissions will not consider you unless you have some relevant background. In her case it was because she was black and angry and it seems very racist also. Perfect candidate, and probably more fitting the perfect candidate to haul admissions board to court for racism if she was rejected.

TwoMonthsOff

Raconteuse wrote: »

I just assumed she was saying the hotel was trying to make a fool of her rather than the drink itself implying a racist slur.

You missed the word RACISM in her tweet?

1641

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I don't have kids so don't know what goes on in schools now. Blackcurrant being an insult is a new one to me. What do the black kids call white ones?

I don't know what black kids call white kids and, as far as this incident is concerned, it doesn't matter. It happened in a business.

Either this was an extraordinary mistake or it was a pisstake. The latter seems more plausible to me until there is a fuller explanation but I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

If a pisstake, it was highly inappropriate for a business and offensive. I am sure the business is mortified by the employee's actions and keen to get to the bottom of it. Also, I am sure they will be keen to have it pronounced to be a mistake as they would not want to be associated with the alternative.

Raconteuse

Paddy Cow wrote: »

How is blackcurrant a racial slur though? Have the hotel made a statement or is everything on this thread just speculation?

I just assumed she was saying the hotel was trying to make a fool of her rather than the drink itself implying a racist slur.

sbsquarepants

1641 wrote: »

"Blackcurrant" has been name called to black kids. I am sure they find it as hurtful as "Lotto" was hurtful for a period to special needs kids.

You don't think it more likely that and busy worker simply made a mistake, rather than contriving a very subtle and convoluted way to insult a randomer.

I once ordered a southern comfort and got a cranberry juice - was there a hidden insult. Do i need to go straight back today and burn the place to the ground? (It happened about 10 years ago mind, but i don't like to let shít like that slide:D)

mondeo

If I serve a pint of Guinness to a black person without them requesting it, am I a racist ? I'm sick of everyone finding racism in silly little things. Someone with a big mouth and not afraid to use it has to go public and tell all these little "your a racist winers" for every little thing to shut the hell up ! I remember the tesco row with the black chocolate easter bunnies last year.... it's a chocolate rabbit, not a black person ! Go feck off with yourselves and do something constructive.

[Deleted User]

Hoboo wrote: »

https://youtu.be/UFzcz86gRtQ

Nothing to do with this though, this is just someone who spends their life trying to apply racism to any given situation which in turn justifies her existence as a Doctor in Black Studies. Degree in Microbiology, Docterate in a made up field. A modern day Nick Riviera.

MOBO, FUBU, Black Studies. Sorry, who's racist?

I had misunderstood that to do a PhD it had to be in the sphere of your primary degree, ie in her case Microbiology, or if she had done a BscSociology then the Black Studies etc might be a logical follow-on. I didn’t realise that you could apply to a university to do a PhD in any subject that suddenly occurred to you to be relevant.

Hoboo

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I never said you used the term "racial slur". I did. I don't have kids so don't know what goes on in schools now. Blackcurrant being an insult is a new one to me. What do the black kids call white ones?

Crackers. Milky. Snowball.

Paddy Cow

Hoboo wrote: »

Here's HER apology which she removed since they apologised. Says alot about her character.

Even in her first tweets she wasn't sure if it was a mistake or racism. Sounds like she talked herself into it being racist, the hotel explained, she apologised and then for some reason decided to backtrack.

Paddy Cow

1641 wrote: »

When Rehab launched their scratchcard lottery around the mid/late 1980s the kids around here took to name-calling the kids going to the local special school "Lottos". It is a fairly neutral term, isn't it, inoffensive? Except the special school kids found it offensive and upsetting (even when they didn't understand where it came from). I suppose the ordinary kids didn't mean anything but fun for themselves but kids can be cruel about these things. The fad seems to have passsed after a few years. They went back to calling them "spastic".

Any term (or symbol) can be used as a weapon - think "fenian" or "taig".

I didn't use the term "racial slur". And I don't know what happened here. But the "simple mistake" seems less plausible than some idiots having what they regared as "fun". "Blackcurrant" has been name called to black kids. I am sure they find it as hurtful as "Lotto" was hurtful for a period to special needs kids.

I never said you used the term "racial slur". I did. I don't have kids so don't know what goes on in schools now. Blackcurrant being an insult is a new one to me. What do the black kids call white ones?

storker

jackboy wrote: »

That’s a fair bit of a stretch. There is a hotels reputation at stake. The evidence is not there to say the incident is probably racist.

For some people, the claim itself is all the evidence that is needed. The logic involved is not unrelated to that used by conspiracy theorists.

Hoboo

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Thank you.

Here's HER apology which she removed since they apologised. Says alot about her character.