gaffer91 wrote: » It will help the competition survive- how can you not understand this? No-one will give a **** in 5 years as Dublin stroll to yet another All-Ireland. The population is an unfair advantage too- not a reason for more funding. And once again, as has been repeatedly pointed out: the funding for Dublin is disproportionate on whatever basis you want to use - per head of population, per registered player etc. This discrepancy is even worse when sponsorship funds are factored in. This has been repeatedly explained, not just in general, but to you personally. Actually try to retain this simple information this time. Splitting Dublin is to aid everyone, not to help any particular county.
tritium wrote: » You keep saying this You keep ignoring the century plus of administrative and financial doping that your own county has and continues to benefit from Call me cynical but I struggle with the ahem purity of your argument
tritium wrote: » Yawn, come back to me when dublin look like getting 10 in a row. Right now they’ve only marginally exceeded what other teams have already achieved (granted one of those historical teams had significant advantages handed to them)
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Splitting Dublin will not make any counties any better. Should funding to many other counties increase. Of course but when Dublin has such a significant proportion of population they will get such a significant proportion of development funding. And splitting into 4 straight away Is just to aid your own county and nothing else.
gaffer91 wrote: » Once again- it'd not just the end results that are important. It's the inputs into the results that are equally important- in Dublin's case this includes a combination of unfair advantages such as population, funding advantage and playing at home, among others. This combination is unique and exclusive to Dublin.
gaffer91 wrote: » It's not a ridiculous suggestion at all. There's no point in waiting for Dublin to 10 in a row or 15 out of 16 All- Ireland's- people's interest will go long before then and the game will be irreparably damaged. And we're already on that trajectory currently. Dublin's population is such a statistical outlier that it was grounds alone for a split, although population alone is probably only enough for a two way split. But combine the impact of the financial doping with the population, plus the other unfair advantages Dublin have, and it becomes obvious that a four way split is preferable. There are currently no moves afoot to equalise the funding and end the financial doping that Dublin are engaged in. And the residual impact of the funding of the last 15 years will be felt for years and years to come. So a two way split would be insufficient as the Dublin subdivisions would still be excessively unfairly advantaged (which says a lot for just how bad the current state of affairs is, when all the advantages are concentrated into a single team). So Dublin should be split into four teams to save the inter-county game and help every county from Leitrim to Dublin in the process.
gaffer91 wrote: » Because not splitting them would be much worse?? Dublin will keep winning indefinitely without splitting them. That wouldn't be the case with any of the (ideally four) Dublin subdivisions. No player or supporter will care in a few years about reaching the Super 8s (which probably won't even exist then) as it will be increasingly clear that the end result of yet another championship will be a victory by a team with seven times their population and multiples of their funding. You need to realise that it is keeping the status quo that will result in the death of the inter-county game. Not splitting Dublin- that will enhance the game, massively.
tritium wrote: » Surely by that argument Kerry should have been split before Darby scored his famous goal. Looking at the record book post that we have exactly the apocalyptic scenario you describe except the four horsemen were wearing green and gold rather than blue (oh and the world didn’t end)
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Dublin being split doesnt help every team. It helps the dubs closest rivals. Two Dublin sides will still beat a lot of the leinster counties and will stop badly affect other counties chances of making the super 8s. How does that help most counties?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Why though? I dont think you have to wait to see them break every record. It is clear that it aready needs attention. Also, relying on something like that is foolish. For example, say if dublin were on the wrong end of a cormac reilly-esque bad reffing performance and thet happened to lose a game one year. The record might stay intact but that wouldnt reflect the reality of the situation.
gaffer91 wrote: » Splitting Dublin helps everyone. It's the single best step that can be taken to ensure Gaelic Games remain alive, interesting and viable at inter- county level. No-one will care about the All-Ireland championship as this dominance continues (well, maybe there'll be 200 Dubs going to games in their home stadium in 2030 claiming the dominance is fair, cyclical and that every other team just needs to pull their socks up). Just because some team didn't historically take full benefit of unfair advantages doesn't mean they weren't or aren't unfair. The financial doping only started in earnest in the mid 2000s anyway. And the population is larger in relative and absolute numbers than many counties compared to what it was historically.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » but splitting Dublin doesnt actually make leinster counties improve from the general mediocrity that has been leinster teams beyond Dublin for the last few years. Dublin dominance isnt based on unfair advantages when most of these so called unfair advantages existed when Dublin couldnt get near winning an all Ireland.
gaffer91 wrote: » It would be an enormous move but it wouldn't be the end of inter-county football and it definitely wouldn't cause attendances or money to crash. Not splitting Dublin is actually what will have those effects- people are rapidly losing interest in the game as can be evidenced by declining attendances and viewership. Dublin's dominance is built on unfair advantages and will now continue indefinitely. That is what is driving this dwindling interest. There are other changes that can be made to the GAA but splitting Dublin is the most important reform.
salmocab wrote: » Dublin being split would be an enormous move by the GAA and the end of inter county football. Attendances and money would crash. Something certainly needs to be done but not what a lot of people are looking for, it needs a long term plan not people shouting for the thing that would drag it all down.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Of course it does. The centre is in mayo. But it is no more mayos than galways etc. Croke park would not belong to north dublin either. It is just a pragmatic use of resources. South dublin would not be playing away from home in those games either, whereas everyone else has to do so when they face dublin at present. What is your solution to that? Build an 80 thousand seater in every county?
Since the belief is that nobody from dublin would support these teams anyway, then really and truely, they should row in with what everyone else in leinster has done and just give up home games, right? Yours is just another disingenuous response, in a long list of disingenuous responses. The 2 dublin teams could easily use cp as their home ground with no issue in the world.
RoyalCelt wrote: » Sorry I meant to type I don't agree with splitting Dublin in 4. It's a ridiculous suggestion. Split into North and South should be the only consideration and I don't believe it should happen until after Dublin have broken the records such as a 10 in a row and the most wins beating kerrys 37.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » They are both in county Dublin though, and it wouldnt be an official home ground of north dublin either, nor is it for dublin at present for that matter. It is just handy for dublin, as it would be handy for both Dublin teams. I dont see that as any issue at all. The connacht centre of excellence is in mayo, it doesnt mean it is any less the connacht centre of excellence. But if that doesnt suit, by all means get fundraising and build one.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Of course it does. The centre is in mayo. But it is no more mayos than galways etc. Croke park would not belong to north dublin either. It is just a pragmatic use of resources. South dublin would not be playing away from home in those games either, whereas everyone else has to do so when they face dublin at present. What is your solution to that? Build an 80 thousand seater in every county? Since the belief is that nobody from dublin would support these teams anyway, then really and truely, they should row in with what everyone else in leinster has done and just give up home games, right? Yours is just another disingenuous response, in a long list of disingenuous responses. The 2 dublin teams could easily use cp as their home ground with no issue in the world.
Hawkeye9212 wrote: » 4 of these contenders will be Dublin teams so we could end up with all-Dublin finals. That would definitely kill the intercounty game.
salmocab wrote: » Yeah they are both in county Dublin. County being the important word there. Probably hold off on the fundraising for now as this isn’t actually going to happen. It’s just people making noise over and over like anything said here would matter anywhere. Connacht Center of excellence in Connacht doesn’t strengthen your argument by the way.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » Let’s see what happens salmon and happy new year to you and yours
salmocab wrote: » Still won’t be happening but you get your proposal in quickly.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » I am just one person but believe me people from all 32 counties are strongly behind splitting dublin
salmocab wrote: » They’ll be delighted to hear from you and excited to hear that you’ve arrived at that decision. We can all move on now that you’ve sorted it out.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » after...what....320 pages of debate it’s clear what the overall outcome of the debate is. Dublin needs to be split into 2/4. I will be passing on this proposal to my county reps with my personal approval and also will be providing excerpts of comments on the thread. Thanks all and happy new year.
salmocab wrote: » Both Milan teams are from Milan south dublin are not from north Dublin.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » It is very close to south dublin - much closer than it would be for all but one of their opponents... milans 2 teams share the san siro. It is a common enough thing. Its not ideal but it would work perfectly well. Either that or pay for their own stadium, like everyone else. Nothing unreasonable about that, it is simply what needs to be done. When you consider what everyone else has to do, it is actually a pretty soft deal dublin would be getting... Your mistake is judging the change in terms of the ridiculous terms dublin have at present, rather than the situation everyone else faces into at present.
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