Boards.ie: Niamh wrote: » We have a forum or Sustainability and Environmental Issues here, they have a Climate Change mega thread: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=109
antiskeptic wrote: » Given the centre of mass of climate discussion, which at the not-too-distant fringes includes end of society as we recognize it, a mega thread seems a little underwhelming. The fact that the latest post in the environmental sub-forum concerns whether or not patio heaters have been banned indicates a trick being missed. Might it be a case of build it and they will come? To think of but a few key topics: - climate science - resource issues - clean energy - sustainable living (starting thread: "plastic drinking straw ban: a good start?" - politics (sustainability and capitalism/consumerism/ever increasing ecomonic growth model, protest) - end of the world as we know it (a.k.a. how long has the frog in the pot of warming water got?) - feedback loop watch (greenland ice, die off's)
Fr_Dougal wrote: » Yeah a few years ago people would have been asking for a Kony forum, then a Syrian refugee forum, then an Apollo House forum. Boards needs less forums, IMO, not more. What’s stopping you from posting in Sustainability and Environmental Issues?
antiskeptic wrote: » It really depends on where you class climate change as an issue. Potential end of civilization as we know it isn't really on a par with the Syrian refugee crisis. Put it another way: which issue is larger than it at the moment? Going on even what mainstream media is reporting. Temperatures soaring, ice disappearing far faster than predicted, species wipeout, oxygen free ocean areas? Brexit, the Syrian refugee crisis etc will come and go. Climate isn't going anywhere but the wrong way. Why not environment? Well, there is bugger all discussion and the question is whether boards leads on it or sits on its hands. A meteor heading towards earth. Party on?
Beasty wrote: » Not only is there a forum already catering for this, but how many threads are likely to be needed to cover climate change? We have a long running one in CA which covers the current "political" climate change landscape. Beyond the politics I would have thought we are really talking environment and sustainability topics anyway Of course given the current attention being given to this, is one idea to change the title of that forum? Maybe "Climate Change and Sustainability" and/or moving it up a tier, making it a main forum within Science, Health and Environment? A new/additional forum would probably divide relevant discussion rather than consolidate it
antiskeptic wrote: » As I said, it depends on how you view the issue. If it were 1936 and hardly-fringe omens included an industrialised world war, would a specific forum be warranted? Or would folk point to a mega thread on rumblings with nazi Germany within an existing general political forum within the Society & Culture section. The importance (perceived) would drive both the positioning and sub-forums attaching. It's hardly a surprise that we are were we are (warming due to industrial emissions was predicted in the mid-19th century apparently) but it would seem the Big Reveal is to hand: we are in deep trouble and a rock is meeting a hard place ... with the foot pressed ever more firmly on the emission/consumption gas. Reticence/ urging to prioritize will be a reflection of where you see the level of the problem. If climate/resource/species wipeout an aside which will surely be sorted in time, then an aside forum.If near promimity existential, then uppermost. Time will tell. Edit: or to put it another way. Massive meteor on a collision course with Earth. And boards has a megathread on the matter.
"Around the year 2030, 10 years 252 days and 10 hours away from now, we will be in a position where we set off an irreversible chain reaction beyond human control, that will most likely lead to the end of our civilisation as we know it"
"Please stop saying something globally bad is going to happen in 2030. Bad stuff is already happening and every half a degree of warming matters, but the IPCC does not draw a “planetary boundary” at 1.5°C beyond which lie climate dragons.
gozunda wrote: » I note you have also referred to the "Potential end of civilization" in another post above " I know its the trendy thing atm to sit on the more alarmist side of the seesaw..
There is no mention of only 10 years left in the IPCC report or near proximity of the end of civilisation Verdict: I'm with the IPCC on this.
antiskeptic wrote: » It was the ninties and I was perusing a geological encylopedia detailing world reserves (actual + suspected-future-accessible-via-new-extraction-methods-yet-to-be-developed. Think fracking). Total reserves (known and suspected) were expressed in years left at current rates of consumption. The slope of the graph for rate of increase of consumption was (and had been for some years) And when everything had sub-100 years left to run, bar aluminium (which is a bit of an energy-whore to extract) you take note. As I did. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist (nor a final year engineering student, which is probably the reason I was perusing said encylopedia) much to figure out a problem was looming.You might not know much about the import of molybdenum, chromium, boron, tungsten has in the functioning of our society. But the engineer does. For without these critical building blocks, there is no technology.And so my concern is a bit more long standing and substantive than a trend. The world as we know it is heading for a resource hard landing - no question, given resources finite and dwindling, accelerated by a world economy based on ever-growth The issue is that climate looks like it might well beat it to the line. Mix those two up together? Well, it wouldn't be pretty. If there were 100 years left a dedicated forum would be warranted. Unless you take the rather dim view of "I'm alright Jack".Peace in our time!
Beasty wrote: » Guys - can we drop the actual climate change discussion. The importance of the underlying topic is not being questioned. This thread is to discuss where it can/should be discussed though
antiskeptic wrote: » I've scanned around boards.ie and don't see a dedicated global warming forum. A search for 'global warming' or its politically re-spun title 'climate change', sees posts in a few places, mainly After Hours. It seems strange that there would be no dedicated forum for what is or has the serious potential to become a global existential issue. If there isn't already one, would it make sense to establish one?
Beasty wrote: » antiskeptic - continue debating climate change rather than where it can/should be discussed and I'll close the thread Any questions PM me - do not respond to this warning in-thread
Fr_Dougal wrote: » It’s strange that you have never actually posted about global warming before(that I can see), and you haven’t followed the advice of posting in the dedicated forum for the topic, yet you haven’t let the issue go. I suppose it demonstrates that pandering to every new forum request is a bad idea. People get caught up in the hype, but when it comes down to posting in the correct forum they won’t bother.
antiskeptic wrote: » Tell me, at what point in proceedings would a WWII forum have been considered warranted? 1939? 1940? 1933?
antiskeptic wrote: » See above for a more appropriate title suggestion. Wonder whether my suggestion would receive more of a welcome on boards.au? Nothing like a frog being fecked into a pot of boiling water to get its attention.
antiskeptic wrote: » I've scanned around boards.ie and don't see a dedicated global warming forum.
Boards.ie: Niamh wrote: » The only new forums that tend to take off are for specific topics that are already being discussed a huge amount in another forum that might not specifically suit the topic - so they get a new dedicated forum.
The Sustainability & Environment Issues forum where climate change is already discussed is the best place for your ideas above, antiskeptic.
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