aloyisious wrote: » The acceptance of Nancy Pelosi's invite to deliver the annual state of the union address from Congress on Feb 04 by Don should be an interesting occasion. Letter of invitation from the Speaker to the President: "In their great wisdom, our Founders crafted a Constitution based on a system of separation of powers: three co-equal branches acting on checks on each other. To ensure that balance of powers, the Constitution calls for the President to 'from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union,'" Pelosi wrote in her letter to Mr. Trump. "In the spirit of respecting our Constitution, I invite you to deliver your State of the Union address before a Joint Session of Congress on Tuesday, February 4, 2020 in the Chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives," Pelosi said. Salt stings.
duploelabs wrote: » Perhaps you need to brush up on your procedures. Trump is already impeached, that's what the vote was on Wednesday. It now moves forward to the senate for a trial to remove him or not
listermint wrote: » The base is actually quite small. The democrats are not targeting his base with any of this. They are self serving loons. They are targeting the middle ground voter who got him over the line last time. Bearing on mind that's all they did he doesn't have a masse core voter so you are highly mistaken on that one . Something most trump backers do.
Carcharodon wrote: » Ok, internet shaming me aside, the fact is, nothing will happen, Democrats can’t win at the polls so they have to do this, it’s sad
TomOnBoard wrote: » Wow.. She is some stateswoman. . Trump has absolutely noo chance when it comes to engaging with her on an equal footing... I Loooove Nancy!!!
TomOnBoard wrote: » You've simply proven you don't know what you are talking about. If you're going to materially add to the debate here, surely you ought to have done at least some basic research so that your 'contributions' can be taken seriously and not just as the pathetic efforts of a troll.. Given the lack of any pedigree in respect of an understanding of the issues involved, why would any of us debate your belief that " Democrats can’t win at the polls so they have to do this, it’s sad"... Argue facts. With enough of that, we might then accept your conclusion in due course...
Manic Moran wrote: » It still begs the question of what the long game is. If you go to Google, and put in a search for "Swing state impeachment poll" or whatever, and put a time limit on it like "The last seven days", see what the articles are saying.https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/475038-florida-voters-split-on-impeachment-pollForty-six percent of registered Florida voters surveyed support impeaching Trump and removing him from office, while 50 percent are opposed to the prospect. Another 4 percent are unsure. Voter are also split on the job Trump is doing as president, with 50 percent saying they don’t approve of how he’s handling the presidency and 47 percent approving. Three percent are unsure. So most Florida voters seem more inclined to vote against him on the basis of the job he's been doing without the Democrats doing anything, but they are not approving the job the Democrats are doing on impeaching.https://www.npr.org/2019/11/30/783889423/impeachment-the-view-from-swing-states Support for impeachment in Wisconsin dropped from 44% in October to 40% in November. I would have thought the desired endstate is "Trump out of office by 2021". I would think Trump is doing a good enough job on his own at making himself a one-term President. Why are the Democrats making life more difficult for themselves? I suspect Pelosi got railroaded into the impeachment, not that she wanted to do it herself. She was never a huge fan of the concept. Nobody ever said she wasn't smart.
Carcharodon wrote: » Absolute yawn, you don’t have to be a keyboard warrior to know what’s going happening on the ground here. These “contributions” are merely people pandering what they think matters, like anyone here really has a grasp on these issues, google and twitter don’t make you smarter or right. How many people here have even been to Ohio ? Just another bubble and like I said, impeaching Trump is just going to further the divide.
everlast75 wrote: » You have to wonder how people have an issue with impeaching DJT. There are so many reasons. 1) if a president has the option to ignore congressional subpoenas, then you have to know that future presidents (assuming Trump isn't the worst case scenario) will do so too. Republican or Democrat, that has to be a bad thing... unless of course you have no issues with dictators 2) if Trump gets the green light from the Senate, that will embolden him and he *will* do worse. He hasn't grown into the role, he hasn't become more presidential, he is a crook down to his bones and he keeps pushing the boundaries. The prime example? The day after Mueller gave testimony, Trump made that "perfect call" to shake down Ukraine. So supporters have to know, he will not get better, it will get worse - unless he's checked. Now, i don't believe for one moment that failing a rocket between now and the "trial", he will be acquitted. But let it be known, no one can truly say that when something awful happens, they never saw it coming.
stefanovich wrote: » You don’t seem to understand that the democrats are also crooked. More crooked. This whole thing is a sham. They are accusing him of something Biden has openly bragged about himself. It is dramatics and nothing else.
pixelburp wrote: » When the man elected on promises to "drain the swamp" of perceived Washington corruption, turns out to be wilfully corrupt himself, that's a steeper fall and broader hypocrisy than any career politician skirting the edges of legality. I've said it before, I'll say it again; Trump could have been the great healing outsider, formed a bipartisan government if he was serious about knitting the rifts. Brought in true experts to help him. This was the narrative by the neutrals who pleaded to wait and see, that Trump could be the forceful outsider, immune to the stagnancy of DC. Nope, his ego was always too fragile to withstand acknowledgement that he is not the smartest man in the room, so instead he threatens world leaders with quid pro quos and feigns genius on matters he is woefully out of depth on. Of course he broke the law, he only knows how to bully like a NY real estate developer.
listermint wrote: » I've been to Ohio about 10 times, quite the boring place tbh. Real middle American bungalow family orientated place. A distinctly difficult place to hire really good tech staff. What's your point ? America needs a reckoning or all the president's afterwards will do exact what trump is doing. Personally I think it may already be beyond saving
Carcharodon wrote: » I was waiting for that response, there is always one....Cincinnati is far from boring in my opinion but the point is that the media, celebrities, Democrats seem to not give these types of states the respect they need, the people in these states know this and they will vote Trump again Ohio is a swing state, I believe Trump flipped this state by a huge margin(iam sure the very smart people here will correct me if iam not 100% right) Concentrate on these states, these people don’t care about impeachment, it’s only another buzz word now, I can guarantee the spin the Republicans put on it is more beneficial to their party I agree, America is beyond saving, the divide is too much, it’s too polarized, everyone is tired of it.
listermint wrote: » You weren't waiting on that response. You were waiting on no one to reply that they have been there because you made the wrong assumption that you were the only one with experience. Tough I suppose. People travel and have jobs...
everlast75 wrote: » Facts don't matter to you, do they?
Limpy wrote: » Putin is popular to Trump's base. The Dems/left loons are so engrossed in Russia/Trump that its guaranteed to get him re elected.
Manic Moran wrote: » Whether they do or don’t, optics matter to the voters, who are the people who count. As observed in a past posting, if you dig enough, you will find something someone has done which is illegal. Everyone. Add to this observations such as from the NPR interview: people are not as tuned in in the same way that they were in the other impeachments. Now, I suspect it's because it's something that has been talked about by the national press since the day the president was inaugurated. In fact, people even talked about it when he was, you know, president-elect. Americans as a rule don’t like it when they see someone get railroaded. Instead of doing what should be easy and simply beat him in the next election, they are now presenting a crime which hadn’t occurred at the time folks first started talking about impeachment. The optics on this are simply not good, and people were warning before it all started “Guys, an apparently partisan impeachment process did not work well for Republicans against Clinton, you might want to bear that in mind” Next, add the general American tradition of civil disobedience against what is perceived to be unfair legal actions, Fairly well celebrated, from Rosa Parks to Sanctuary Cities. Trump’s refusal to co-operate with a Congress is a fact. On the other hand, it’s a fact precipitated by what can be seen as a reaction to a biased investigation which was created not to establish if there is a charge to face, but what charge should be faced. Indeed, it can be argued that the most solid case for impeachment is a result of the impeachment process in the first place! So, we know that the a Senate isn’t going to remove Trump, it’s going to come to November 2020. A question voters are going to ask themselves isn’t just “Should Trump be removed from office”, it’s also going to be balanced with “Should Democrats be rewarded for their railroading process”. Now, you may think this is all hogwash, but something is resulting in the (predicted) swing away from impeachment in the Swing states, and that swing is as much a fact as Trump’s obstruction of Congress. Of course, the final question is whether these swing voters care about impeachment either way. The above likely only counts for a small percentage of voters, most will have other concerns. Again, the NPR chap says it rather well.There are lots of arguments about whether impeachment is justified and therefore required for the Democrats and the Congress to consider. But when we come back to elections, what matters is that Donald Trump spoke to issues that his voters resonated to, and Barack Obama spoke to issues that his voters resonated to. And right at the moment, impeachment is maybe a historically important thing, but it is not the issue that's driving voters' concerns. One would have thought the route to a Democrat in 2020 was really simple. This impeachment, valid or not, was not going to result in that, and apparently seems to be more likely to detract from it. Certainly that is what the polling is showing, and thus begs my question of how this fits into Pelosi’s long game. It also explains Pelosi’s reluctance to go down this path in the first place.
everlast75 wrote: » Of course he is popular with his base. Sure he helped him get elected!
Carcharodon wrote: » See the point here is just because you apparently have been there “10” times justifies to the rest of the flock that they are right in brushing over the fact they are more obsessed with ejecting Trump than winning back the votes. I was as shocked and upset as anyone when he got elected but the people spoke and we need to move on, when you vote for a clown you get a clown show
